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Or, we could use one of the thousands of nukes we've already built and paid for.


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Dotzilla wrote:
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oh yeah? like what kind of weapons?


gluon-response initiated positron bombs?


Positrons are a form of antimatter. Producing useful quantities of positrons is in the same realm as inventing warp drive or building the Death Star.


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Usdk wrote:
oh yeah? like what kind of weapons?


gluon-response initiated positron bombs?


Positrons are a form of antimatter. Producing useful quantities of positrons is in the same realm as inventing warp drive or building the Death Star.


equations often have "double solutions" if you will. for instance, we could ask "what number times itself equals 16? is it 4 or -4? obviously it's both. for the most part, equations dont guarantee that their solution, (or in this case the product) applies to actual real world events. having said that, if a mathematical model of a physical anomaly is right, then playing around with it's equations can be quite useful.

where am i going with this? i'll humor you, you're right, a positron is a type of antimatter (even though a gluon response initiated positive particle of ANY kind is renamed a "positron" because it's existence doesn't meet matter requirements). going back to what i was saying earlier, in the case of antimatter, such "playing around" with equations often leads to completely verifiable trending/predictions. obviously if the predictions cannot be verified, the theory is discarded and we start from step one, but whether the physical outcome is viable or not, a mathematical model guarantees that your conclusions are logical and internally consistent.

antimatter, or more specifically, antiparticles are used in real world applications such as weapon making, energy derivation, and bioresearch. cancer cells may not react to hydrogen bombardment but their protein walls react to antihydrogen. subatomic particles of this nature have tons of measurable features. obviously a positron is a mirror image of an electron, just (you guessed it) positively charged. even the "chargeless" neutron has an antiparticle keenly christened as an antineutron. antineutrons have an opposite zero charge to the regular neutron. the math behind this comes from the triplet of partly charged particles called quarks that "compose" neutrons. let's say the quarks have the following charges:

(neutron) -1/3, -1/3, +2/3
(antineutron) 1/3, 1/3, -2/3

using that example we see that each set of three add to zero net charge, yet the similar components have opposite charges. so, ultimately, if we know this, and we know that energy = (mass) x a really fucking big number (the speed of light squared), we could take two gamma rays (gamma rays because they have sufficiently high enough energy) and force them to interact to transform themselves into an electron-positron pair, thus converting a tiny amount of mass into a LOT of energy.

make sense?


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Dotzilla wrote:
make sense?


tldr

practical applications for antimatter are not within the realm of possibility


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Aestu wrote:
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make sense?


tldr

practical applications for antimatter are not within the realm of possibility


i apologize if it seemed like i was trying to argue with you about whether or not their applications were possible. the fact of the matter is that their applications are possible, and are being used as we speak. since that was obviously a topic you know nothing about, i was trying to explain current applications as best i could. it seemed as if you were interested. although now i understand you most likely just entered "positron" in wikipedia.

particle physics is an obsession of mine. i suppose it was foolish of me to think anyone else would be interested in it other than myself.


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What do we use antimatter for?


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Aestu wrote:
What do we use antimatter for?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_e ... tomography
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as i stated above, weapon research/development, energy derivation, and biological research. those are just to name a few. you can also read about the goals of the LHC for more information on antiparticle research. i would explain in more depth, but if you're interested in that particular realm of science, i believe you'll be able to navigate your way through the library by yourself. no offense, but i am not particularly keen on explaining something you're clearly not interested in solely for the reason of you trying to fuel your uninformed opinion.


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I stand corrected.

Still, that's a long, long way from an explosive amount.


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Dotzilla wrote:
as i stated above, weapon research/development, energy derivation, and biological research. those are just to name a few. you can also read about the goals of the LHC for more information on antiparticle research. i would explain in more depth, but if you're interested in that particular realm of science, i believe you'll be able to navigate your way through the library by yourself. no offense, but i am not particularly keen on explaining something you're clearly not interested in solely for the reason of you trying to fuel your uninformed opinion.


Wrong opinions are meant to be corrected.


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Someones opinion being wrong is your own opinion.

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opinions are never wrong, my friend, they can just be ill-informed. in fact, many of my classmates share your same opinion about the practicality of certain fundamentals of theoretical quanta, so i honestly was not trying to pick a fight (especially with someone smarter than i). i applaud your quest for knowledge and will never cease to share it, provided your intentions are pure.


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Dotzilla wrote:
opinions are never wrong, my friend.


In good faith, I amiably disagree with your opinion.


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