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well played.

In no way did he ask you if he thought he was spoiled. What relevance does it have?



Pretty ironic you are saying that considering you shove your opinions down people's throats until they are ready to pull their hair out.

My impression of you is simple your opinion of yourself is entirely too high. You need to be knocked down a few notches. Your view on the world is jaded by your opinions. You speak about subjects and give opinions yet push them as facts.

I think you are very intelligent and well spoken but it doesn't give you the right to ridicule anyone who disagrees with your views.




Ask anyone the way you present yourself on the forums is with a superiority complex. This is obviously opinion based and maybe you don't mean to come across that way, but that is how it seems to me at least.



This means you can put a sentence together talk knowledgeably about lots of things etc etc. Why would you ask a question like that? Trying to get philosophical on me? Of course there is always room to learn, but just because you don't know everything doesn't mean you aren't well educated.



You preach thread after about subjects you are passionate about. Whether it be politics or the way a person is geared and gemmed etc. It comes across to me almost as if you think yourself infallible. So that is what I mean when I say that.



Well it isn't exactly like they post publicly but when you get to live vastly over your pay where does the money come from? I guess I retract that since it is an empty claim without having proof.



People like Steve Jobs I am sure work similar hours with similar exposure to media. Or how about the BP executives?



Okay if you say so.



I never insinuated that business CEO's were any more deserving. The higher ups make the decisions and because of their position they consider themselves more deserving of the pay. Why? Because they make the companies decisions? Well what if they make bad choices, do they then lower their pay? Occasionally they might resign if it is something to an extreme, but half the time in their resignation they take fat severance pays with them.



I am not sure I can answer that question, I don't know what the motivator should be. If you ask me if it is a position for the people then it should be the people's voices motivating them, if they truly want to make it better.



Honest, strong, dependable, intelligent etc.... Is that the wrong answer? Should I say corrupt money/power hungry people?



Ones that coincide with their pay.



I think it would depend on where they live. What they do? How motivated they are? The choices they make etc. To many variables to spout out a number.

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You're changing the line of questioning.

In connection to your initial line of questioning, you quoted the post in which I recounted what had taken the thread off the original topic in the first place, not the post in which I called him a rich kid. In any event, it's entirely relevant to a topic to point out that a statement made about it is hypocritical.



How can I "shove my opinion down people's throats" over the internet? What am I going to do, shoot anyone who doesn't agree with me? If being contradicted, or critically discussing a contested issue, is too much for you, grow up.



So I shouldn't have a high opinion of myself despite being intelligent and well spoken? I should assume that what I think is no better than any given random moron? Is that logical?

Give an example of someone being ridiculed because they didn't agree with me about a topic.




You didn't answer the question though: when have I done what you alleged, which is hold myself superior because I'm in college?



Ok, so am I not justified in having a high opinion of myself because I am "well-educated"? Or should I think I'm no better than anyone who hasn't advanced past a sixth-grade level of functioning?


What's wrong with that?



Senators, like executives, get an office purse for professional expenses, and if this wasn't true, they couldn't get by, because they'd have to go all around the country and attend events at their own expense. Never mind, of course, that you can live pretty comfortably on $176k a year.



No one cares if Steve Jobs divorces his wife or has an extramarital affair or likes to dress up like a member of the SS and goose-step around his home or hires prostitutes or hates black people or anything else. BP executives don't get paid $176k a year, they get paid tens of millions a year. Like I said, it doesn't make sense to go into politics for the money.



Well, then why object to politicians' pay in the first place?



What would bring honest, strong, dependable, intelligent people into politics, though? Why wouldn't they serve their community in some other way, or go make money? How would you go about making a political system that encourages incorruptible people who don't want money into a highly disagreeable line of work?

My question, though, wasn't intended in terms of their positive traits. I mean what SORT of person should they be? What kind of person goes for power in the first place? What motivates such a man? What's his take on life? What's he like as an individual - personable/aloof? cynical/idealistic? megalomanical/humble? myopic/farsighted? elitist/populist? humanitarian/corporatist?



Ok. And what sort of rubric should determine their pay?

When I ask what kind of lifestyles - Do we want Donald Trump wannabees? Do we want monks? Do we want solitary eccentrics? Do we want private citizens who work 9-5s and live otherwise unremarkable lives? Do we want people who enjoy thrills? Do we want droll, humorless individuals?

This matters, because a man of ability who enjoys an outgoing lifestyle, or self-aggrandizement, isn't going to trouble himself going into politics if he feels it won't let him live his life the way he wants to live it.

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I like the massive disparity between DBW and any other trinket for warriors. there is not a single trinket that would compete with it assuming it was bumped up to the same ilv. Trinks that are so far apart are just dumb/useless and further eccentuate the difference between "Haves" and "have nots" which is the greatest problem plaguing our society.


It's funny how you say that, as you come from a background of privilege, and your "rich kid" attitude is singularly pervasive in the entire way you conduct yourself.

Which part of his statement says "Please personally attack my character because I have an opinion on society and trinkets."?




Has nothing to do with it being 'too much' for me. Obviously I was speaking figuratively considering an opinion isn't an object. Are you trying to be facetious?

The point stands if someone doesn't agree with you, you feel it necessary to say the same thing 10 different ways until they give up.

Ever thought about going into law?



No one said you need to change your opinions but don't act all up in arms about it when someone calls you out for being a pompous ass.

As to naming one thread be serious if you aren't willing to admit you have ever ridiculed someone based on their opinion that's fine. Be in denial all you want. I just don't feel like digging through threads.





You didn't answer the question though: when have I done what you alleged, which is hold myself superior because I'm in college?

Did I say you did this solely based on you being in college? If I did I apologize that isn't what I meant at all I meant in general that is how you carry yourself. You yourself have admitted to your own egoism, why is it now when someone points it out you act surprised.

I'm sorry I can call myself ugly but no one else can.



Ok, so am I not justified in having a high opinion of myself because I am "well-educated"? Or should I think I'm no better than anyone who hasn't advanced past a sixth-grade level of functioning?

I wouldn't say you are justified by any means, you may be smarter than some but what does it change? You can spell, read write etc so what. Some can, some can't. There are different degrees of intelligence if you want to gauge them on that go ahead, would that intelligence help you to survive out in the wild with no food or water at your fingertips like some?

My point is this regardless of intelligence skill etc it doesn't automatically put you a cut above the rest, sure you aren't an idiot but it doesn't give you a higher status of that 6th grader.

If that was an insult towards me I am just going to ignore it because that would be petty.



I guess nothing if you like being naive.



Agreed which is why a man who is not willing to sacrifice such things shouldn't be in office.

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The hypocrisy of the statement itself, and the very absurdity of the analogy.



No, I'm not. So go ahead and clarify what you mean by "shoving it down your throat".



What's wrong with that? Of course you try to communicate your point of view in different ways trying to make the other party more receptive. If they do not like it they are free to walk away.




No one said you need to change your opinions but don't act all up in arms about it when someone calls you out for being a pompous ass.

As to naming one thread be serious if you aren't willing to admit you have ever ridiculed someone based on their opinion that's fine. Be in denial all you want. I just don't feel like digging through threads. [/quote]

You did not answer the question.



Actually, you did, but let's set that aside - so what's wrong with high self-confidence?



This is a fine bit of nihilism. So you call me intelligent but then say we can't say what intelligence really is and it doesn't matter anyway? Then why praise someone for being intelligent in the first place? And this is why I get angry when people praise my intelligence.

You say, intelligence doesn't "change" anything. Are you saying that intelligence doesn't have an impact on whether someone's opinion or reasoning about an issue is more likely to be correct?



Go read Robinson Crusoe. Nature didn't give us brains that consume something like 20% of our body's oxygen because having a higher forehead attracts mates. Although it does. I think.



Pretty sure it does.



They do. They take visits to other countries all the time to see what's going on, or to campaign. They're busy people.

I don't think our system is perfect, but I accept that certain things are as they are for a reason, and a lot of hyperbole and common misconceptions are what prevent fixing it, amongst them the belief that most senators are lazy, super-rich, and getting fat off bribes and state funds. They aren't.



Tiger Woods is a celebrity, not a businessman. He may be wealthy but what he sells is his rep and image, not his administration or business skills. Donald Trump or any other big businessman wouldn't find himself out of a job if he were caught having sex with a prostitute or whatever.



That's the point though...if self-indulgence is your thing, you can make more money as a businessman, AND bang whoever you want. Self-indulgence or vice or whatever isn't what's wrong with the political system.



What is "reasonable"?



The hard, sad answer is...it takes a certain kind of person to do some jobs. Certain kinds of people like power and will go into politics. Same is true in business. Part of what makes modern society work is channeling negative urges into positive ends.



What does anyone need more than subsistence wages for? Why should politicians be monks? Is that even reasonable to ask?



If this is true, then how does the free market even function? How can businessmen make good decisions since everything they do is aimed at getting money so they can enjoy life? Or even ordinary citizens?



The problem is, you won't settle for any leader less than Lycurgus or Solon or Moses or Aeneas or Romulus or any other incorruptible man who is willing to live a hard and demanding lifestyle for subsistence wages, who has a totally pedestrian personality, with no reward other than to serve his country. And even none of those people were democratically elected.

The reality is, the best leader you can reasonably hope for, is a typically flawed human being, who goes into politics for a mix of reasons good and bad, whose negative urges are kept in check by institution. Paying politicians a reasonable salary is part of that, and I honestly believe that a $176k salary is right on the dot for what these people do. Of all the things wrong with our system, that is not one of them.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So many dissected quotes.

OK, let's clean this up a bit. Short and sweet:

You concede I am intelligent and well-informed. It defies common sense to say that an intelligent and well-informed person isn't more likely than anyone else to have a worthwhile opinion, or have confidence in himself and what he believes.

You want politicians to work for middle-class wages, pay for most expenses out of pocket, and be totally selfless individuals who pursue their career for nothing more or less than love of country. This isn't the world of the Republic or Utopia. $176k a year and professional expenses paid is perfectly reasonable for what they do, and no one goes into politics for the money.

Even people who go into politics for sheer love of power can make good decisions, and sometimes, they actually make the best decisions of all, because they aren't motivated by ideology or misanthropy or a desire for popularity or greed.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.