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Ok, so everyone knows about this new chapter in Israel-Palestine. As of late, I've tried to stop caring about it and when it was first published that Israelis killed 9 activists on a ship, I was pretty pissed.

However, then I saw this video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo[/youtube]

Palestinians that are trying to run through an Israeli blockade get boarded and then beat dudes with guns with pipes, and then complain about getting shot at? You can't have both sides of the coin. Regardless of whether or not Israel does is "right", they're still doing it and everyone (especially Palestinians) know that Israel doesn't take any shit from anybody on this front, so why are they getting into pissing matches and then crying when one of the most militaristic nations on the planet curbstomps them?

Now there's news about some other ship trying to run the blockade:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/ap_ ... key_israel

Even though Israel has (reportedly) offered to dock the ship at an Israeli port, inspect their cargo, and then take it to Gaza, these activists refuse and are going to try and fuck with the navy.

In this article, people on the first ship even fess up to starting the fight with the Israelis:


Well, maybe you got boarded because you were trying to run a blockade? IDK, BRO.

I really can't figure out who's the bigger dipshit here, the country that may be doing something wrong but is at least constant about it, or the activists that are trying to do something right but insist on going about it in the most confrontational way possible with one of the most violent nations on the planet.

RETIRED.
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Mayonaise[/armory]
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Jerkonaise[/armory]

Under international law, a blockade is an act of war. Blockading a country is fundamentally an aggressive act.

The Turks were friends with the Israelis until the Israelis decided to deliberately insult them because they happened to take a contrary position on an issue.

The video is from the Israelis and they have a long history of falsifying evidence and lying about events. They have zero credibility and there's no reason to even believe the video is real.

The Israelis have said they refuse to allow basically innocuous materials necessary for life into Gaza because they may be used in weapons, never mind that you can't actually turn cement or sugar into weapons without many, many other reagents and equipment. Furthermore, there is no reason to believe the Israelis are making this offer in good faith, given that they haven't even dealt with their allies - Turkey and the US - in good faith. They have repeatedly stabbed the US itself in the back; why should we believe they are making an offer to those who are not their friends in good faith?

But really the first point is sufficient. It's a blockade. A blockade is an act of war and therefore fundamentally aggressive. Whatever may happen, it is the party maintaining the blockade that is the aggressor. Of course aggression will involve violence; saying that people doing what they ought to have a right to do is "provocation" is a shill for the Israelis oppressing and exploiting these people.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Really? Where does it say that?

Law professor doesn't have a problem with it...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 84110.html

INB4 WSJ IN BED WITH TEH JEWS.

itt: Two nations arguing over who gets a bigger part of the sandbox.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/69580/blockade

Right here.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Israel is an apartheid nation.

If this was any other country the west would be on the verge of military action against them, but Israel gets a free pass for fears of opposition being seen as 'anti-Semitic'.

inc my uncle, cousin, great-aunt, grandfather, and at least one aunt coming after me with sharp weapons.

omg liek y r u so anti semetic

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

it's funny cuz i was raised jewish, el oh el

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... 0/blockade

that article only mentions the legalities, doesn't say anything about it being an act of war.

You have to scroll down a lot:

"an act of war by which a belligerent prevents access to or departure from a defined part of the enemy’s coasts"

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Britannica = International Law? Where in the law does it say a blockade is an act of war?

war what

It's an act of war, because a sovereign state has the right to autonomy over its territory and traffic in and out, and to violate this right is to challenge the state. Historical examples include the the Peloponnesian War, the First Punic War, the Anglo-Spanish War, the Opium War, and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

This is cemented in the UN Charter, the WTO Treaty, and a bunch of agreements signed after WWII.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm with Mayo on this. You can debate the legalities and moralities and ethics of the blockade all day long, but from a specific incident standpoint, if you deliberately sail your ship into a naval blockade that is under the command of a country who has demonstrated that they take this blockade very seriously, then you are forcing them to take action. If they don't, ships will be flying the "Jolly Middle Finger" as they zip on passed...not much of a blockade.

Is this blockade wrong? Maybe. Are these guys stupid to provoke Israel? Definitely.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Kudos to what Zaryi said.

First of all, both Israel and Palestine are in the wrong.


However, my view on Israel is that it's a militaristic nation, that receives heavy funding (for its military) from American taxpayers, and benefits from, as Zaryi mentioned, people being afraid of being considered "anti-semetic" for calling out Israel.


Think about how and why Israel was founded. Basically, because the Torah says that those lands belonged to them...they were "given back" Doesn't that just seem wrong? I mean...their holy book says they had this property back in the day, so then it's okay to uproot Palestinians who were already living there?

Everyone seems to forget that this whole conflict was created when the UN decided to partition the nation to appease the Zionist movement (dumbest move ever).

Israel pisses me off, and so does Palestine...but to be fair...wouldn't you be pissed if you were living in an area then some government was like "sorry, you have to move, this is no longer your country because these people who have a different religion have a rightful claim because of their holy book that you don't believe in. Sorry."