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That's all they need.

lol she's a socialist, where everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.

IMO you cant make something like that illegal and truly justify it without there being major gaps in your reasoning. As others said, where is the line drawn and who decides etc. Although i agree completely that if someone were to have a child, and they're like low-functioning downs, someone else needs to take care of it. If the parent is unable to care for themselves, another person should not be left in their care.

Just for lulz to the bible belt, i remember i found a stats chart of teenage pregnancies/divorce rates for different states. Ones that preach "christian family values" no sex before marriage, dont divorce, etc (texas/alabama etc) have a drastically higher rate of teen pregnancies, divorce and an earlier average age for people first having sex than more "liberal" states like New York/vermont etc. Hypocrisy in action, or just what you get when you attempt to force your own values onto your kids and all they wanna do is piss you off.

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You're daft.

There's a reason why those type of parents exist. Society.

It's not my responsibility to teach my children right from wrong, it's the school's.

It's not my responsibility to care for my child, it's the state's.

It's not my responsibility when my child is arrested, it's the rap music.

You have no jurisdiction or right to ru(i)n my life, nor anyone else's.


edit: note: I'm not saying people should be selfish pricks. Empathy goes a long way in life, but there is no empathy in deciding how another person should live their life. That's slavery.

I'm sorry, but idiots that can't manage to pass 5th grade and can't get a better job than the guy who pushes carts around walmart shouldn't be allowed to bring children into that situation.

And again I'm sorry, but you're daft - you can't just blame away problems on others - it is your responsibility to do all of those things and teach all of them (and you might have been making that point, but I don't read sarcasm well.)

And yes, it is an slippery slope which would only be exacerbated by human nature, but theoretically - bring it on. It's like communism, awesome in theory, but disastrous in practice.



It has less to do with equality and more to do with 'what's best for the greater good'. But again, though humans into a perfectly good theoretical argument, and you're bound to disaster.

I'm going to repeat myself.


You have no jurisdiction or right to ru(i)n my life, nor anyone else's.




Intellect based on your system of "standards" is absolute shit.

Are you capable of telling an unemployed person that "I'm sorry, you lost your job, and well, you're pregnant, or your wife is pregnant, you're going to have to terminate the child"?

Who are you, or anyone else, to judge the circumstances that produce life? A person who is mentally retarded, in many cases, has the capabilities of a child. Children don't grasp the same concept of carnal knowledge as you, unless you teach them, in which case, you reap what you sow.

I'll make my statement crystal clear: If you're advocating death in response to love, fuck you.

Then this brings in the whole topic of abortion, such as if a child were to be concieved between two mentally-handicaped people, what would happen then?

Would the child be terminated? Even if it is against their religion?

Would they be arrested for having sex?

Id suggest staying away from abortion cause that could get ugly...

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From a cold scientific standpoint, people with disabilities are able to exist in this world because of help from other people, usually family, if not parents.

From a human standpoint, those people have their world changed, their entire view of the world changed. They find the simple things fun because their child finds them fun. They also want their child to have a chance to be like others, but at the same time, guard them looking to prevent a world of harm to someone innocent.

With all of the designer dna idiots out in the world looking to see if your unborn child is healthy, discovering that they're not, and then aborting it, you don't have the right to say "you brought that thing into this world, you cannot let it experience what everyone else does".

You cannot apply such laws morally, or justly. You don't have the ability to.


edit: "you" does not mean "quadtard". it's a general "you".

Its one thing to deny a murderer the right to vote, it's completely another to deny a person the right to breed for a birth defect.

whats next? denying people the right to breed if they have poor eyesight?

if they're fat?

if they're black?

in before Godwin's law 27 pages from now.

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I work a shitty dead end overnight retail job, and I consider myself and my girlfriend to be overwhelmingly successful parents, and my children to be outstanding examples of what good parenting can do.

I see what you are saying, though I disagree. If you slight even one person in this broad sweeping fascist approach to childbirth and parenting who would otherwise be a fine parent, that's one person too many.

It would have to be done on a case by case basis, and I see that as entirely impractical and ludicrous to imagine possible.


Basically, it sucks when people fail at parenting, but I think Tehra nailed it right on the head.

People need to be held to the utmost degree of personal accountability. The more accountability people take for their own circumstances, REGARDLESS of how practical or realistic it is to hold yourself to that extreme degree of responsibility, the freer you are, and everyone else as a society is to live your life unimpeded by others.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

also lawl at 18 year olds putting rules on how to raise children.

That's fair. But if you think it's love when two 17 year olds bang each other and then split after mommy gets preggo, you're just as idiotic.

Everyone deserves the right to have children. Denying responsibility of any kind makes you a terrible parent, and your child's inevitable formative trauma is on your fucking shoulders.

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I do believe I already addressed the lack of responsibility.

If you meant



I assumed you were trolling. Laws and societal structure decide how people should live their lives, and legal systems (read: incarceration) have every right and jurisdiction to ruin lives.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
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