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First: a disclaimer. The following is a snippet of what it was like for me growing up in the American South. Dallas, Texas, specifically. If you are offended by the word “nigger” used in the context of the real world 40+ years ago, please do not read this. It is certainly not my intention of offend, only to offer a story. I hope those of you who continue will find something interesting.


It’s been more than twenty-five years since I drove through the neighborhood where I spent my first 13 years. Roughly, 1985. Much had changed, I’m afraid, and I sadly felt it wise to remain in my car. At the moment when it suddenly struck me to take that trip back to the grounds where the opening volleys of my life still echoed, I had not been back there since the family moved in 1972. Hell, not just my family. Everybody! They called it White Flight…at least those who were willing to talk about it in the sunlight did, which was almost no one. It wasn’t an elephant in the room; it was an entire herd. But there was whispering, and there was panic in the whispers. “The niggers are coming! Better get out while you can still get something for your house.” And the whisperers became self-fulfilling prophets as they sold their homes to the very people they so feared. And their ex-neighbors cursed them for their leaving. Then, they too, left. And the community shattered.

A little history. The neighborhood I grew up in was about a 2-square mile area in South Dallas called Polk Terrace. Bound by Wheatland Road (south), Hampton Road (west), Red Bird Lane (north), and I-35 (east), this area was hundreds of 900-1200 ft tract homes that sprang up in the early 60s…hardworking, poor and white. Not poverty, exactly, but definitely poor. There is an odd phenomenon about being poor. If everyone you know is poor, then you just don’t know the difference. The “better off” people lived over off of Red Bird Lane, but I didn’t know any of them. Polk Terrace people were clearly not too poor or overworked for sex because there were kids EVERYWHERE. Baby Boomers. It was like Lord of the Flies; always someone to play with, and someone to fight with. Hierarchies, friends and foes.

During this time, just about every American city had a place where its black population lived, and the Dallas blacks lived just south and east of downtown near an area known as Fair Park. Niggertown. Of course, if you wanted to be politically correct, these people were Negroes, but white people didn’t think too much about being PC, because blacks and whites just mostly stayed out of each others' ways. Ha! “Politically correct” wasn’t even a term. Hell, this was only 10 (ish) years after Rosa Parks did her thing, and not much had really changed. They stayed “over there” and we stayed “over here”. Then, the rest of the 60s happened, and it happened fast.

The Baby Boomers started growing up. The Bay of Pigs fiasco. The Missiles of October standoff. The Cold War was in full swing. The Civil Rights Act passed in 1964. Kennedy was assassinated. Martin Luther King was assassinated. Bobby Kennedy and Malcolm (X) Little were killed. The hippie movement emerged. Race riots. Anti-war riots. Guys were drafted straight out of High School and sent to Vietnam. College kids were killed by troops at Kent State. Draft dodgers fled to Canada. The Black Power movement emerged. Women’s Lib emerged. Anybody with a complaint took it to the streets, and the “rage against ANYTHING” hippie ideology would embrace the new cause. Rebellion was hip. Drugs and rock were groovy. “Turn on. Tune in. Drop out!” Bras were burning. Draft cards were burning. Flags were burning. Life as we knew it was getting the living shit kicked out of it. People were expressing their ideas, even if they were *gasp* unpopular. And many of them were dying for it.

I know you read this and think, “all hell was breaking loose”, and I suppose it was. But in Polk Terrace, we were mostly just living our lives. I went to grade school, ran in Ricketts Creek, and was as happy as anyone could be. It didn’t frighten me when we ran “Atom bomb drills” at school, where they ran us into the hallways, then taught us the art of cowering, covering our ears and our eyes to protect them from those Commie Russian missile blasts that could fall at any moment. They called it “Duck and Cover”. There were little unobtrusive, yellow and black signs all over on public buildings, designating fallout shelters…areas of relative safety in the event of an attack. I didn’t find it odd that 18-year olds were being shipped off to die on the evening news, that political and social leaders were killed, or that kids would march in the streets and fight with police. Adults seemed concerned with it, but I grew up with these things. It had always been that way.

Over in Fair Park, the Dallas black community began expressing themselves. They saw blacks marching in protest for rights, some peacefully, others violently. They saw the window beginning to open for them to get free…to get out of Niggertown, both literally and figuratively. Slowly, they moved south along I-45 into southern Dallas. At the same time that my subdivision was growing in Polk Terrace, another one just like it was sprouting up a few miles east called Singing Hills. This was a better place than Fair Park, and the black families embraced it.

So, there sat two communities, both poor, both reasonably happy, both living in tiny, tract homes, separated by I-35. Yes… very separated. Then somebody (not anyone in Polk Terrace, or Singing Hills, or really any of the people who’s lives were about to be shocked) decided that this separation was a bad thing. How these same people “fixed” it is a case study in Big Brother interference failing monumentally.

The Feds determined to change how blacks and whites viewed one another. First, they correctly figured that altering ingrained racial bias in adults would be completely futile. They would start with the children. A study was done (studies were very popular at this time with the aim at illuminating the myriad social injustices being perpetrated against women and minorities) to determine if the Dallas school system was segregated. This study was done all over the country. Now, it didn’t take Einstein to figure out that most schools were black or white, but as soon as the study confirmed it, somebody filed a lawsuit or ten, then the federal courts got involved. Remember this: Any time the US federal courts assign themselves to oversee ANYTHING, it is going to be fucked up. Desegregation, they called it. Judge Barefoot Sanders was placed in charge. The plan? Send buses into black neighborhoods to pick up kids for transport to white schools in other neighborhoods. To be fair, some white kids were transported to black neighborhoods, as well, but black kids bore the brunt of this program, despite what the official line was. NOBODY liked it. Therefore, like most government plans, it was brilliant.

I remember vividly my first day at D. A. Hulcy Junior High School. Hulcy was for grades 7, 8 and 9. This was my seventh grade year. The school was newly built. It was the first I had attended that had air conditioning. It was bright and clean. The gymnasiums and lockers lining the hallways were painted in fluorescent pinks, greens, yellows and blues. There were no windows. I played in the percussion section of the school band. This was my first period class. Arriving school buses unloaded on the large, asphalt parking lot behind the band hall. When the buses arrived that first morning, most of the band (all white) stood outside on the lot watching. Eight buses rolled up filled with outsiders. Eight buses filled with people who did not want to be there. Eight buses filled with niggers.

Understand, this is all we heard around the neighborhood. “Why are they forcing our kids to go to school with niggers?” Pretty much, all we knew about black people was the riots we saw on the news, certainly not the reasons behind it. The biggest thing I knew about those people living their lives over in Singing Hills was that they didn’t want me over there. All of our lives, we lived with the certain knowledge that separation was best, because our parents and grandparents had spent lifetimes in a society that demanded it. Now this. And we felt resentment.

The black kids? What they heard was, “Same old shit! You can’t trust whitie...EVER! Why aren’t they busing those honkies over here?” And the black kids got up earlier every day than we did, and rode the bus farther than we did passed the schools in their neighborhoods to get to a place where they were unwanted. And they felt resentment.

Standing on that school parking lot that first day facing each other, we were all only kids, but we all knew that it wasn’t going to work. Both sides came with too much baggage. There was no question of whether there would be trouble, just the when, where, and who. And, boy, did trouble come.


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Good read. Does the story continue?

Kinda reminds me of Remember the Titans (that movie had to deal with desegregation and busing)


It's interesting how segregated things still are in society. For example, I live in Chicago, which is both a huge city, and progressive (and in the North)...yet segregation is still rampant.

Case and point, I live on the North Side of Chicago (very close to Wrigley Field)....it's completely white-washed. Yeah, there's some minorities here and there, but it's mostly just a bunch of white people.

If you go to the South Side of Chicago...it's the exact opposite...tons of black people. If you head south west, you'll find where all the Mexicans are living. Segregation is alive and kicking in the US.


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10/10 What I've read in that first post, will be more than happy to remove this post if you need more space.


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Battletard wrote:
10/10 What I've read in that first post, will be more than happy to remove this post if you need more space.


20/10, and yes please continue when you have time.


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I think segregation is natural and people should just learn to live with it. I know when I was going to school, everything was segregated - not because of the system but because of the students. If you looked at the typical school bus the blacks were the last to vacate because they would sit at the back. If you walked the halls or viewed the lunch room, all the tables were segregated... the blacks hung out with the blacks, the whites with the whites, and all other minorities seemed to gravitate toward each other to form their own segregated groups. That's just the way it was. Most people were oblivious to this though because we didn't look at each other with the intent of breaking into racially divided groups - we went where like-minded individuals were. The blacks had a common interest; clothes, styles, music, neighborhoods, etc. Same with the whites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. My difference is there wasn't any hate - we all had a mutual respect for each other... we were just divided... and we were all okay with that.

Mind you, this was only 10 years ago...

Anyways, I hope there is more to this story. I enjoyed reading it.
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Segregation isn't natural, we are considered one species, therefore integrating ourselves and becoming genetically diverse and thus more fit would be natural. But white people have a problem with this, because here in america if a black man and a white woman were to have a kid, that child would be considered black. The white race would be wiped out. The black man is genetically dominant here, but you didn't know that.

and that's all i have to say about that


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Spure wrote:
and that's all i have to say about that



Interesting factoid: I believe Spure and I graduated from the same High School. Duncanville High School. c/d?



EDIT: Also, thanks for the nice comments. I'll continue it sometime, but too many walls from one poster too close together could get monotonous.


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confirm! i really liked my years in that school


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Spure wrote:
But white people have a problem with this, because here in america if a black man and a white woman were to have a kid, that child would be considered black. The white race would be wiped out. The black man is genetically dominant here, but you didn't know that.


It's not just white people that have a problem with it. Many black people are quite racist when it comes to their children dating white men or women.

Some asians, hispanics, indians, and arabs are the same way.

Heck, even the Jews get racist when it comes to mixing races (think of stuff like JDate, which specifically is for Jewish people to meet/date/marry other Jewish people).

http://www.break.com/index/jewish-girl- ... rents.html

Listen to these Jewish Parents react when they think their daughter is dating an Italian guy. It's hilarious...but also disturbing.


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Azelma wrote:
Spure wrote:
But white people have a problem with this, because here in america if a black man and a white woman were to have a kid, that child would be considered black. The white race would be wiped out. The black man is genetically dominant here, but you didn't know that.


It's not just white people that have a problem with it. Many black people are quite racist when it comes to their children dating white men or women.

Some asians, hispanics, indians, and arabs are the same way.

Heck, even the Jews get racist when it comes to mixing races (think of stuff like JDate, which specifically is for Jewish people to meet/date/marry other Jewish people).

http://www.break.com/index/jewish-girl- ... rents.html

Listen to these Jewish Parents react when they think their daughter is dating an Italian guy. It's hilarious...but also disturbing.



A very funny story concerning this topic. I worked part time for a while at a pool/spa store in town. We got a manager transfered in from Atlanta for a few weeks. He was covering for another manager that was on a 3 (yes 3 week vacation) week vacation. Anyway, he keeps carrying on about how his daddy (southern redneck term if used by someone over 10) was the editor for the "Underground Paper" that was apparently where the KKK and other hate groups posted their thoughts. He kept going on one day about a black person pulling a boat to the lake in a truck. His punch line was "N@@@@@ cant swim, what are you doing with a boat" to which I angrily turned around and went outside. My buddy got what I was doing when the guy asked what the fuck. He told him my wife was black and it was racist fucks like him that made peoples lives a living hell and that I was probably calling HR. I really just did not like his joke and went out to smoke but my buddy decided to fuck with him hard. BTW, my wife is white as can be from Kentucky, lol, the guy did not come in the next day and was only back for one more day before our district sent us another manager to fill in.


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Azelma wrote:
Spure wrote:
But white people have a problem with this, because here in america if a black man and a white woman were to have a kid, that child would be considered black. The white race would be wiped out. The black man is genetically dominant here, but you didn't know that.


It's not just white people that have a problem with it. Many black people are quite racist when it comes to their children dating white men or women.

Some asians, hispanics, indians, and arabs are the same way.

Heck, even the Jews get racist when it comes to mixing races (think of stuff like JDate, which specifically is for Jewish people to meet/date/marry other Jewish people).

http://www.break.com/index/jewish-girl- ... rents.html

Listen to these Jewish Parents react when they think their daughter is dating an Italian guy. It's hilarious...but also disturbing.


What race is in power? Set an example for the rest to follow. You're telling me something that in fact exists, but you don't have the root of the reason behind it.


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Curious side question for you dooj. Where in Dallas did you grow up? I was born in a hospital on the east side (can't remember name atm) and lived on morningside dr near SMU campus for the first 2-3 years. Parents live around 75 and LBJ freeway (635) now
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Spure wrote:
What race is in power? Set an example for the rest to follow. You're telling me something that in fact exists, but you don't have the root of the reason behind it.
I don't get this statement. In power where? What example is being set? What is the root of the reason behind what? Did I skip a post somewhere? D:
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think eturnal! i'm talking about the US


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Eturnalshift wrote:
Spure wrote:
What race is in power? Set an example for the rest to follow. You're telling me something that in fact exists, but you don't have the root of the reason behind it.
I don't get this statement. In power where? What example is being set? What is the root of the reason behind what? Did I skip a post somewhere? D:


Yeah, I'm with Eturnal on this one.

I wasn't discussing the power of races anywhere in my post. What I was saying is that segregation is often encouraged by minority races too (as evidenced by my examples...ever see the movie with Bernie Mac "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner") it's all about this black guy hating that his daughter brings home a white dude.

It IS possible for minorities to be racist/bigoted in regards to their views of mixing of races, etc.

I actually observed this with Asian females in college. There was this Asian sorority, and they did a joint thing with our fraternity...it was comical...they barely talked to any of the white boys in my frat (I tried to chat a couple up and got the funniest looks ever)...but we had a few asian guys and they were all over them. Turns out that sorority usually only does things with this asian fraternity, but they decided to "branch out" to hang out with us.

Yes, racism is alive and well from all sides.

Do I think black people are like, "yes we want to live in all black ghettos, while white people live in nice suburban rich towns"? of course not!

However, do some black people think "you stay on your side of the tracks, and we'll stay on ours" or "you don't belong in this neighborhood and we don't belong in yours"

Hell yes.


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