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I feel the fuckiness matters when group Y is trying to get a moral highground on group X when both are equally as fucked up.

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Name one since Matthew Shepherd. With butt piracey being one of our present cause celebrés, any offense against such sacred cows would be a ginormous media event.

I know there's some butt-hurt (ha ha!) feelings in the gay community because it's not enough that people are tolerant of their life choices and they aren't satisfied that eveyone hasn't bowed down to give their complete approval. However, Straw Man is full of straw, and unless he's leading Dorothy to Oz, needs to STFU.

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In this case, I agree completely.

Iran is a mess, and that's independent of any supposed Christian-societal slant I might have (which I don't, I think everyone's god is just as made-up as everyone else's).

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Well I wouldn't lump myself in with group Y like you would, so I'll continue saying the iranian goverment lawmakers are a bunch of women hating pedophiles.

people who infringe on a group of people's rights for no other reason than which square they X out on a survey can fuck off and die, no matter the side of the issue they're on.

Here's one. Here's another. You can find lots with a bit of Googling. FBI crime statistics show multiple incidents per year: 2008 and 2007 for example (you can find the rest on the website if you want). You may not see the incidents on the news, but they certainly do happen.

Obviously neither one counts, because both of the offenders are African-American, and as we all know, only white people (preferably the southern Christian ones) are capable of being bigot racist homophobes.

These two examples obviously preclude any sort of media event because it pits two minority groups against each other. The media doesn't pit their sacred cows against one another because they know it would do nothing other than expose their faults...and that goes for left-wing and right-wing media.

I rofl at your statistics. Methodology is everything. What constitutes a "hate" crime (pretty sure most people don't commit violent acts against you out of love...unless you're into that sort of thing, and then you usually get a safe word) according to FBI? Did the offender(s) in question have to admit they were motivated, at least in part, by a bias against their victim? Did the offender simply have to use a slur? Maybe all the offender had to do was commit the act against someone belonging to a group not their own. I don't know, and it doesn't say (not that I looked hard, because I'm lazy and only semi-interested). In my opinion, less than 2k hazily-defined instances in the course of either year in a country of a couple million people should make everyone feel all squishy and warm.

So, basically, I'm still right. Wait for some white guy to go off his nut and off one of our brothers or sisters batting for the other team(s), and it'll be all over the place and everyone can feel all kinds of validated.

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Jubber

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Whether the media extensively covered any particular event is irrelevant to your original question, which was whether anyone had been killed due to their sexual orientation since Matthew Shephard. Clearly they have.

However:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/942255.stm
White man shoots 7 people in a gay bar, killing 1.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007/11/21/2007-11-21_three_who_killed_michael_sandy_get_nearm-2.html
3 white guys convicted of manslaughter and hate crimes. These things aren't hard to find. As for the FBI statistics, their official guideline is:

Sounds pretty straight-forward to me. As Mayo said, people getting killed because they're gay is not an uncommon occurrence.

Nobody here disagrees that Iran's stoning as a form of punishment is deplorable. What some retards in the country (probably these forums if I had to wager) can't seem to do it separate Iran from Muslim. It's the same way that the same retards can't separate Muslim and terrorist. I honestly have never held any hostile feelings toward any group of people, but I'm starting to REALLY hate stupid people.

EDIT: People get killed for being different all the time. It's very ignorant to think otherwise, and have to have documents found via google posted before you start to think otherwise. If you think Americans are only against Muslims at the moment because of 9/11, you have another thing coming when you wake up from that dream world you're in.

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My original point was people being executed by the government for being gay or black or unfaithful or whatever does not happen in America.

Hate crimes are just that, crimes.

I prefer hate crimes to hate laws because at least hate crimes don't have the support of the people.

1960's Deep South would like to have a word with you.

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Oh are we going back in time to talk shit about contemporary issues?


We did, sure. we also used to burn witches at the stake too, should we use that as an example too?

We are a 200 year old nation. Iran, for example, has been there since before hammurabi's fucking code. Who needs to get with the program?

No one is saying all muslims are complete whackjobs, Its just the leaders are the morons who should be the ones blowing themselves up to clean their own stain off the world. And Iran is muslim, its run according to muslim laws taken to the extreme, or twisted to serve the misogynist/homophobic/moronic interests of the leaders of the country, who should be the ones blowing themselves up to wipe their own stain off this earth.

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Then let me be more succinct, since subtlety isn't sold in your area: such crimes are exceedingly rare in this country. Your own statistics show that. Less than 2000 instances in either is a fraction of a percent for both all crimes and violent crimes in particular. It should be even more obvious how insignificant these occurences are when compared with more common bias crimes contained in the same link.

That is leaving aside that some of you are comparing illegal acts that are socially unacceptable to acts performed by and endorsed by the state.

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For the record, you were the one that said that nobody's killed a gay person for being gay in 2 or 3 years.

EDIT: Nobody's trying to defend Iran, but trying to hold up America as some sort of bastion of freedom and equality is beyond laughable. America is considered free compared to other countries, sure, but its not the golden bastion of democracy and apple pie you want it to be, and no amount of plugging your ears and screaming (Jubber) is going to change that.

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People (lots of them) with law degrees and years of experience (generally more each than you have years total) decide what constitutes a hate crime. It's cute that you think the FBI is deliberately misrepresenting statistics, though.

But continuing the original point, I agree with

though I'd probably have used nicer words.

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