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Yuratuhl wrote:
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...in the context of civil society,


Your concept of civil society is devoid of empathy and sympathy.


THIS IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS

Laws don't govern empathy and sympathy. We live in a country which specifically doesn't even have good samaritan laws, at least not on a federal level.

The only difference between Aestu and everyone else is he doesn't pretend to feel bad when he doesn't give a bum a quarter.


Again, off base, but you're entitled to your interpretation.


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Aestu is like a longwinded me when it comes to hating the homeless.


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I dont feel bad when i dont give bumbs anything. I did some outreach thing, handed out cofee and sandwhiches and there was like only one out of all of them who were legit "im out of money im fucked" type out of a good 100. The rest were crazy, and need to be taken care of by state institutions set up for them, or alcoholics/drugies who could check themselves into a free clinic.

There was also one guy who was an anarchist and so chose to be a hobo...i didnt want to give him a sandwhich but i had to.


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don't worry about the military dude. we're used to whores cheating on us. i got a dear john letter when i was in iraq from this bitch i was dating for 2 years telling me how sorry she is and how totally awesome dude 2.0 was. happens all the time, we don't care.


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You may not have cared but you didn't have the same level of commitment as the married soldier...
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It was my experience that the average swinging dick became less committed the farther away he got from his wife. There were some rare exceptions, but they were rare exceptions.


I remember one of the Sr. Chiefs on the boat telling me his wife was leaving him. I was like, 'sorry to hear that,' and he was like, 'don't sweat it, bitch ain't getting shit: prenup because I learned after the first whore.'

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No, the difference between me and everyone else is, I am exactly the same person in real life as I am in WoW. When a bum asks me for a quarter, I usually engage them in long-winded dialogue.

"Hey man, can I have a quarter? I need bus fare."
"Where are you going?"
"Uh, Maine, you see my girl stole my car and stuff..."
"Ok, so why go to Maine?"
"...uh...Dude, can I have a quarter, please?"
"You know, you'd get more luck begging for a quarter if you were honest. You see, honesty is in short supply in today's world."
"Um, so I should say 'Hey, gimme a quarter so I can get some booze and weed?'"
"Yes, I think you'd have more luck, just because people would respect your honesty and put you above the level of other homeless people. At the very least you'd stand out."
"Um, dude, I don't think that will work."
"Well, what you're doing isn't working so well, is it?"
"No..."
"Then why don't you try it?"
"....Ok. So could you give me a quarter please?"
"I gave you something better. Advice on how to get quarters. Will you try it? I don't think so. People are such cowards..."

Once, when I still maintained my eBay business, I stopped at the post office with a huge garbage bag full of packages that needed to be mailed. I still had to apply the labels, and didn't have enough time to apply them all before the office closed. I spotted a homeless person - he was a former college professor that had apparently fallen out of society due to substance issues. He was still intelligent though had very much settled into his manner of living. I called him over and offered him $20 if he helped me write all the paperwork up. He said yes and took the pen clumsily. As he transcribed from the shipping list to the USPS tracking forms, he mumbled, "man, it's been so long since I've written anything..." After it was all done, I gave him the $20, and he thanked me profusely. He also seemed much more lucid. I like to think I gave him something more valuable than $20.

Another time, I was at a flea market, getting inventory to sell. A child - about ten - walked up and asked me, "Hey, where did you get those games?" The flea market was situated on what used to be a livery auction, and on the premises were several barns filled to the rafters with an unimaginable diversity of junk. It was great fun picking through it, and amongst them I'd found some old SNES games, which I intended to resell at a profit. I opened my mouth and was about to reply when his father stumbled up, carrying a brown paper bag wrapped around a bottle. I changed my mind and instead said, "I found them, but you can have them." The boy's eyes opened wide and he took the three cartridges; his father shifted uneasily, then gave me a big brown bag he was carrying full of homegrown oranges. I thanked him and my mom drove us home. As we drove away, I said, "I didn't do it out of the kindness of my heart. I did it because it proves I'm better than others. And someday, that boy will see the Commander on TV and say, 'I know him. He was kind to me when I was a kid.'" Later, I mentioned what happened to my brother, and he said, "Yeah, Mom told me. She said, 'whatever else may be said of your brother, he is one of the most righteous people you will ever meet.'" I don't agree; goodness comes from the heart, not the mind. Like everyone, the good and evil that I do are not so straightfoward.

I usually give street musicians that make an effort a few quarters, or sometimes a dollar coin - I carry them with me for this purpose. I don't give obnoxious street musicians, or ones that don't try, or who have themes I don't like, or worst of all those morons who sing along with loud recorded music or just sit by their boombox expecting tips.

I give money to the old and to widows and orphans but not to people who are strong enough to work or scavenge.
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edit: remembered some bums i met who weren't completely crazy
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Aestu wrote:
I opened my mouth and was about to reply when his father stumbled up, carrying a brown paper bag wrapped around a bottle. I changed my mind and instead said, "I found them, but you can have them." The boy's eyes opened wide and he took the three cartridges; his father shifted uneasily, then gave me a big brown bag he was carrying full of homegrown oranges.


I guess I'm confused by this story. Were you assuming the father was a lousy drunkard because he was carrying a bottle, and so you decided to give the kid your games? The father was carrying a bottle AND a bunch of oranges though...he obviously cared enough about his family to give them oranges. I guess I fail to see why you needed to prove you were better than him. Although I get the whole commander thing. When I see you on TV I'll say "I downed Maly with that guy, I got some gear."

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I usually give street musicians that make an effort a few quarters, or sometimes a dollar coin - I carry them with me for this purpose. I don't give obnoxious street musicians, or ones that don't try, or who have themes I don't like, or worst of all those morons who sing along with loud recorded music or just sit by their boombox expecting tips.


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I don't give money to anyone ever.


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I seldom give money to beggers.

I'd much rather give the homeless man a days work on my property and pay him an hourly wage for his help but my wife has an issue with me bringing home stray, homeless people. She's afraid they'll see what we have, learn our times away and then rob us when we're out. She's probably right, too.
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Usdk wrote:
I don't give money to anyone ever.


this.


although I have bought food for homeless people before and usually offer to, which most of them just say "no thats ok just give me the money."
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I once gave a homeless man on my street downtown a blanket from my apartment.

We talked for about an hour in the cold of the street. He was a vietnam vet, with an admitted alcohol and drug problem.

Cautiously choosing my words, I offered him a blanket and a sweatshirt in lieu of money. He was extremely grateful, and mentioned that the blanket would be of more use to him than a bottle of alcohol.

He had a brief moment of clarity, where he recognized his problems and had the opportunity to have a positive interaction with a more mainstream member of society, myself, who did not judge him or mock or belittle him for his plight, self inflicted or not.


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Okay maybe I worded my stance wrong, but cheating makes me rage too. It hasn't happened to me personally, but it has happened to several of my friends and the grief they have gone through is something I hope will never happen to me.

That being said, I would be angry at the man AND the girl. I'm usually good at telling if someone is lying or not, so if somehow I find out that my girl was the on who came on to him, I would be more pissed at her. However, if it was reversed and he came on to her, I'd probably be MORE mad at her for going along with it. Either way, I'm mad at the guy, but the level on anger I feel for the girl sways a little.


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