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So he's slightly less prominent than the current president.


Ok

If it weren't for the Republican Party, democrats would still own black people.

Because Lincoln's Republican party of the 1860s hasn't changed a single bit in the past 150 years.

Nor has the current republican party changed in the last 50.

Historically inaccurate comment is historically inaccurate.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 only passed because of Republican votes. The people who famously attempted to filibuster the legislation, at least in the senate, were all democrats. In fact, one of the democrats senators, former KKK Cyclops Robert Byrd, continued to serve in the senate until this decade...when he finally died and could seek office no more. Way to double-standard, democrat supporters!




Given that you're wrong about the "historical facts," I'd say this is nothing but a values statement about conservatives/republicans. The only reason the democrat party can lay any claim at all to the 1964 Civil Rights Act is that Lyndon Johnson signed it into law...which he wouldn't have been able to do at all without the support of republicans in congress.

If you don't believe, I'm sure the vote tallies and records of the filibuster are available online somewhere.

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The Civil Rights Act was based with the overwhelming support of both parties. A number of those who opposed it did so on the ground that it was a state's rights issue and not a federal one, a stance I imagine many current republicans would agree with, though not publicly.

Dvergar /
Quisling

Civil Rights Act of 1964 (courtesy of wikipedia)

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)


Eat shit and die (the second column is against). Combine that with the fact that all southern Democrats became Republicans after this passed, and Dek's statement is right on. The real Democrats (you know, the ones that stayed Democrats) voted overwhelmingly in support of the act.

If anything, what this lets you conclude is that the dixiecrats are responsible for the bad name Republicans have had for the past 50 years. On the other hand, it also means the existing Republicans accepted them.

(It also means that the South eats dicks)

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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and grits.

both are pretty _____________?

Very, very selective editing, Tuhl.



Looking at the total numbers, from the section just above what you posted, shows the Republicans had a greater percentage of votes for the civil rights bill than the democrats. Regardless of the Mason-Dixon line, those are the numbers by party, and that's what matters here. Also, the previous section above the votes talks about the Democratic filibuster.

As an addendum to Tuhl:

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)


But really, what exactly does this prove? 46 years isn't a long time in the scope of history, but it's way before the people on this board were born. Many of you live in southern states and support them with your taxes, does that mean you support their choice to fight rather than give up slavery? We're all American (well, all the cool kids), does that mean we all support the many atrocities committed in the relatively short time we've been a country?

This isn't a political debate, it's us versus them dickery (Though dickery is what FUBU is about. Continue!).

Edit:

Which means....what exactly? The majority of both parties voted for the bill. If anything it meant that the democratic congressional whips didn't have enough power/clout to convince the no votes to vote the party line (the passage of the bill being seen as a victory for Johnson and the party). It wasn't a Democratic filibuster anymore than the recent Republican's being outed or caught with other men mean that all Republicans like it in the ass.

Dvergar /
Quisling

I figured anyone with functioning eyes and brain that wasn't totally retarded could plainly see the Republicans overall were more in favor, considering the total failure of southern Democrats on this vote. However, considering the geographical distribution of the vote, followed by what happened next (the ship jumping), Dek's commentary continues to be accurate.

Facts are facts. The southern reluctance to accept equal rights and the subsequent shift in the ideology of the Republican party (thanks to said ship-jumping fuckwits) totally fucked them in the eyes of the black community.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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Be honest. Do you think a majority of the blacks vote for Democrats because of some congressional shift post-civil rights era? I'm guessing most of them don't even think about it on a daily basis.

Democrats typically pander towards the minorities in terms of hand-outs, entitlements and stuff... so the Blacks (and other minorities) overwhelmingly support the hand that feeds.

^^^^


If no handouts were given to minorities by either party, which way would they vote?

I think most of the blacks that actually vote (which is probably just as pathetically small a percentage as any other group in this country) are the ones in a position to know more than nothing about political movements.

I'd counter that Republicans typically pander towards traditionalists in terms of blah blah blah, so all those poor white people with delusions of national pride and longstanding traditions vote Republican. It's a factor, but I'm not sure it's relevant.

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