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I definitely agree that people get elected by convincing the idiots who know nothing to vote for them.

I'd say republican voters are often more concerned with spending (which is then thrown by the wayside as their elected officials go on to outspend all the presidents before them) or on some kind of hypocritical moral issue. "Keep the government out of my life! P.S. New laws to prevent abortions and keep gays from marrying each other."

I wholeheartedly support smaller government, but the republican ideal of 'free market everything, don't tax the rich, regulation is for pussies', is just as stupid as the democratic ideal of 'just limit how much money people can get for free, eventually they'll learn to work for themselves'.

The horrible state of education is what's crippling this nation, and is doing more to hurt the poor minorities than anything else. Edit: As in, with a better education system we could ween people off the government teat and free up that money. "Lazy schlobs living off the government" is blown out of proportion, it happens but not as much as people seem to think. Businesses eat up more government money than poor people, there are a staggering number of unneccesary government subsidies, to the point that some businesses are being started just to take money from the government.




I think lately it's more about convincing people you're not whatever horrible baby-raping thing you claim your opponent is.

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In 2008, 63% of eligible voters went to the polls. Of that total number, 13% were black... which is several percentage points higher than the previous election cycles. 74% of the voting population identified as White. Oddly enough, the racial Demographics in America in 2008 were broken down to 75% White (which includes White Hispanics or Latin Americans - Excluding that sub-group, Whites were 65% of the population) and 13% Black. The percentage of people of both races voting in the last election were proportionate to their race in the USA demographic makeup. I'd think things are pretty fair in that regard.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/resul ... polls.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... ted_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... tion,_2008


The white vote is pretty split in this last election. Before that the spread hasn't been nearly as great as those of the minorities.

Yeah I'll split it so we can go back to the more important issue of hating double standards.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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Just to reinterate:

Hardly anyone, in general, knows about this shift when repubs and demo's pretty much played musical chairs a generation or so ago.

the problem with voters is the idiots get their news from TV, usually from stations that are shifted far to the left(msnbc) or far to the right(fox).

thi way they only see either the bright and shiny wonder of their candidates if they watch the station that agrees with them in general, or they see the hate spewing bullshit of the opposing station.

The majority of these idiot voters don't look at BOTH and use their brains to form their own opinion from a larger pool of information.

To quote Jack White, you can't take the effect and make it the cause.

The congressional shift came after the Civil Rights Act. The Civil Rights Act was the cause, the shift the effect. Black people don't care about a shift, they care about the law that caused it.

And it was in 1964... that means that people who turned 18 that year are only in their 60s, definitely still alive and voting, and it's not like the civil rights era ended that year (it still went on for over a decade easily, if not more depending on how you would define it).

My point being, a lot of black people voting today WERE ALIVE AND VOTING WHEN IT WAS GOING ON. Let's just say that one party fighting to give you the right to go to a real school and not have to use a substandard bathroom and eat in any restaurant and generally be a real citizen is the type of thing that will earn your loyalty, and the other party fighting against these things is the type of thing that will earn your hatred. For life.

But I have a good question to flip back on you. Do you think that minorities inherently need handouts any more than any other demographic?

I'm sorry, but the welfare queen argument was always stupid, always incredibly inaccurate, and always thinly veiled racism. "Those black people are getting things they don't deserve and we need to vote for Ronny Raygun to stop it!"

There is no political conspiracy, the Republicans simply fucked themselves with black people for a generation at least (which, I'll remind you, hasn't ended).

I don't think it's any mystery why Democrats fucked themselves with most white southerners at the same time. Hell, LBJ admitted it openly when he signed the law.

I certainly don't think it's because Republicans offer entitlements to rednecks.

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So you truly think all these black people - Some in the age of retirement - are holding a grudge politically when, this last year, Obama was able to motivate the minorities to go out and vote for him, increasing minority representation by great numbers? Did he do it by talking about the civil rights movement and how those dastardly Democrats-turned-Republicans tried to filibuster the Civil Rights Act? No. He did it by promising things he can't deliver on; hope, change, rainbows, unicorns, etc. The reason voted for him is because he promised them the world. It may not be in tangible terms... but he made a lot of promises and that's why he got elected. Not because of what happened decades ago... but because his electorate wanted something. Regardless of what came first in history, the present day issues and entitlements are the driving cause. If the black (and minority) populations are voting for the Democrats for a filibuster that happened half a century ago then they're pretty fucking dumb.

Also, minorities don't need the entitlements any more than another demographic... yet our government doesn't realize that fact and people like Zaryi perpetuate the acceptance of shit. The government has plenty of entitlement programs specifically designed to help minorities by spreading the wealth around. AA/Quotas exist to 'level the playing field' in the workforce by forcing companies and agencies to hire less qualified individuals simply because of the color of their skin. The Federal and State governments have programs like A8/MBE which exist to help women and minority business owners. Also, welfare programs that exist solely to help the impoverished (which is largely a demographic comprised of Hispanic, Asian and black groups) help solidify the entitlement base of the Democrats. Those entitlement programs that help the poor are just another angle to get votes.

Pulling this point into the main discussion, the Government is supportive of inequality and it helps maintain the double-standard in society by treating one group differently from the others. Those sucking the tit of the government will disagree with me though.

There's asian people in the "impoverished" demographic? Get out.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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I dunno if there are, they are hard working, after all.

You might be right. I haven't met any really poor Asians but they have numbers below the poverty line according to a couple different sources I've seen. I guess using impoverished was a poor wording choice. Mah bad brah.

apparently some people haven't traveled through the more... interesting parts of chinatown.

china town in san fran was fun.

i wouldn't live there though.

Spoken like a person who has never been to Westminster, Garden Grove (Garbage Grove), or Stanton.

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I was really just playing to stereotypes. There's certainly poor asians, but I suspect there's more poor white people.

I don't much care to go to the West Coast (which sucks ass) to see poor asians; I already live in the best city in the country and we've got a Chinatown.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
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stereotypes are factual