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 Post subject: The Good Old Days Weren't Always Good
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:54 am  
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Read this on the site of a former journalist/Vietnam Vet expatriate who left for Mexico to get away from the insanity we wallow in every day.

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When I was a kid long, long ago, before time began, or anyone had thought of why time ought to begin, or what it might be good for, I lived in rural King George County, Virginia. The county bordered on the Potomac River and was mostly woods. Dahlgren Naval Proving Ground, on which my family lived, sloped down to Machodoc Creek, perhaps three-quarters of a mile wide.

Things were looser then. When I wanted to go shooting, I put my rifle, a nice .22 Marlin with a ten-power Weaver, on my shoulder and walked out the main gate. At the country store outside the gate I’d buy a couple of boxes of long rifles, no questions asked, and away my co-conspirator Rusty and I went to some field or swamp to murder beer cans.

Today if a kid of fifteen tried it, six squad cars and a SWAT team (in all likelihood literally) would show up with sirens yowling, the kid’s parents would be jailed, the store closed and its proprietors imprisoned, and the kid subjected to compulsory psychiatric examination. Times change.

In King George if a buddy and I wanted to go swimming, we might go to the boat dock, which was for public use, and jump in. We did this by day or night. Almost never were there other people around, certainly no lifeguard. Or we might take my canoe, bought with paper-route money, and paddle out into the nighttime water and glory in being young and free and jumping overboard to swim. No one thought anything of it. It was what kids did.

Today, unsupervised swimming is everywhere forbidden. Worse, swimming at night, hundreds of yards from shore. In a canoe without floation devices approved by the Coast Guard. No supervising adult? No proof of having taken a governmentally approved course in how to paddle a canoe? Impossible in these over-protected, vindictively mommified times.

We saw no need of floatation devices because we were flotation devices. We could swim, easily, fluently, because we had been doing it forever. I don’t think I knew anyone who couldn’t have swum the width of Machodoc. Nobody supervised us. Nobody thought we needed supervision. And we didn’t.

If we wanted to fish, an urge frequently upon us, we just got our poles and did. We caught mostly cat, perch, and bream and the occasional wildly combative eel. Adults had nothing to do with it. We didn’t need fishing permits. Nor did we need help.

What I didn’t notice then, but remember now, is that we didn’t look nervously about to see whether our elders might disapprove. We knew they wouldn’t. We were fishing. So what?

The whole world worked that way—unsupervised, unwatched, left alone. In winter the Cooling Pond on base froze deep, and way after dark fifty of us would sail across slick new ice on skates, unsupervised. Adults skated, but they were skaters, not Mommy. And if you wanted to stay late till you were the only one on the (huge) pond, sailing fast, ice hissing under blades, not tired because you are sixteen and don’t know what the word means—you did. No supervision.

The boys had cars. The county being mostly empty, we spent endless nights driving, driving, to Fredericksburg to get Might Mos at Hojos, or just putting miles behind us on winding roads through the woods, alone, with friends, with our girls.

What I remember is how free we were. Solzhenitsyn once told of stopping on some desert desert highway, getting out of his car, and marveling that no one knew where he was, or cared. That’s how it was in King George. You parked with your girlfriend for endless hours on some blind pull-off into the woods. No one asked where you had been or what you were doing or, more likely not doing. Parents didn’t care because they didn’t need to care.

In retrospect, it felt unregulated. And was. In today’s world of over-policing by militarized hostile cops, of metal-detectors and police in schools and compulsory anger-management classes and enforced ingestion of Ritalin or Prozac, King George sounds, well, dangerous. I mean, how can you let kids run around as they like, with…with….guns, (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!) and beer, and unregistered canoes without supervision by a caring adult, and…?

The answer of course is that we supervised ourselves. Within limits, anyway. I do remember lying on the roof of my father’s station wagon and looking up at the brake pedal because I hadn’t taken that unbanked downhill S-turn on Indian Town Road quite as well as I had planned.

But, being Southern kids, we boys knew how to handle guns, and the girls knew how to handle us, and though the country boys were physically tough from doing real work (consult a history book), we were not crazy in the head, as the phrase was. To the extent that adolescents are willing to be, I guess we were happy. We just didn’t know it.

The wretechedness we see today—the kid who shoots ten classmates to death, the alleged students strung out on crystal meth, the suicides, the frequent pregnancies—just didn’t happen. Why? Because (I strongly suspect) we were left the hell alone. The boys were allowed to be boys and the girls, girls. We grew like weeds, as our natures directed, and so did not have anorexia or bulimia or the sullen smoldering anger that comes of being a guy kid forced to be a girl or androgyne or flower.

I cannot speak well for the girls, except to say that they were sane, good-natured, and splendid. I do know that the boys needed, as plants need sunlight, to take canoes up unknown creeks, to swim and bike and compete—without a caring adult. In fall we used to play hours of pick-up basketball at the base gym—unsupervised. The brighter of us read voraciously. Some took up ham radio or read physiology texts. But we needed physical exertion, adventure, and freedom.

We had them. The consequence? Our heads were screwed on right. We probably even thought that the world looked to be a good place for a while. Although the entire high school had easy access to fire arms, nobody ever shot anyone. The idea would have seemed lunatic. In rare fights, boys might punch each other in the nose. Pick up a tire iron? Kick the other guy in the head? Not a chance.

The foregoing will enrage the whole sodden bolus of therapists, psychological beard-scratchers, counselors, feminists, fruit-juice drinkers, and congenitally insecure promoters of sun block. But it worked.

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I'm not one to buy the "it was better back when" bullshit, but I grew up in a rural community, and it wasn't nearly as long ago as this guy, but it wasn't that much different. We definitely did something(s) wrong along the way to end up where we're at now. Too bad there's generally no going back.

Feeling very maudlin and I cannot sleep.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:05 am  
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I can list several things that "went wrong", but it's all part of the script, anyway.

Nostalgia is a trap to get you to unfocus on the here and now. You can't change the past, only visit it with ruby colored lenses. If you're going to lust over it, you're going to miss the scant opportunities in the now.

Also, fuck night shift really throwing off my clock.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:48 am  
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The world has always sucked. It generally sucks less as we move forward, not more.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:22 am  
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I fundamentally agree with the article. I blame corporate greed for making people cynical and materialistic and therefore bad parents.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:47 am  
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Unless you're some kid that's been molested or beaten by a drunk father, childhood is _always_ better than adulthood.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:48 am  
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If the only two choices were over-restrictive Mommyism with scientific/technological advancement or personal freedom/responsibility without fire or wheel, then I'd go with Mommyism, too, but surely our kids are capable of growing up well without helicopter parents.

I sure know where that guy is coming from. I'll wager he and I are near the same age. When we grew up, we played outside, unsupervised and we learned from early on that life is a competition, constant negotiation and compromise. For every action...consequences. We understood guns, fireworks and riding bicycles and motorcycles without wearing goalie gear. Like the quoted OP, we supervised ourselves. Fights? Yep, sometimes. Kids getting hurt? Yep. Winning and losing? You bet. But lessons were learned and we figured it out.

I realize that most of the restrictions put on our lives are the result of an effort to improve things, because stuff happened to kids, and people tried/are trying to make it so "that never happens to anyone's kids again!", but it is ridiculous how over-supervised kids are. Kids deserve more credit than they're getting, and they'll learn a lot more from fucking up on their own than succeeding with Mommy's help.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:41 am  
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I think a lot of people who aren't currently raising kids have a lot of stupid ideas about what people who ARE raising kids are doing.

I think those ideas are based off of sensationalistic news coverage. The same way you would think every 13 year old is giving blowjobs in the school locker room because one kid got caught doing it in Kentucky and it hit all the news channels.

I know a lot of people raising kids. None of them fit any of the stereotypes. I can show you a picture of my nephew with his face all busted up from playing outside and hurting himself. This is no different than it was when I was growing up 20 years ago, and it's probably not much different than when others were growing up before.

Yes, kids these days don't play outside as much as you might have, but mostly because when you grew up the only thing to do was play outside. Just not the case anymore.

It was always a bad idea to give a 10 year old explosives, and most kids of any era probably got their hands on those explosives without their parent's consent.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:01 am  
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And yet, despite this ideal youth, every generation finds a way to fuck up royal when they reach adulthood. It doesn't matter how much you loved being a free spirit when you were 16 if you're a goddamn moron now.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:22 am  
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great article!


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:33 pm  
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dek wrote:
I think those ideas are based off of sensationalistic news coverage. The same way you would think every 13 year old is giving blowjobs in the school locker room because one kid got caught doing it in Kentucky and it hit all the news channels.


This is most definitely true. There were a lot of things happening to/from kids then, too...you just didn't hear about it every time something happened. Now, if a kid is missing for 5 minutes in Idaho, we all hear about it. Don't get me wrong, I can see the positives, but it just adds to a parent's already heightened paranoia.

dek wrote:
Yes, kids these days don't play outside as much as you might have, but mostly because when you grew up the only thing to do was play outside. Just not the case anymore.


Not entirely true, but true enough to be a solid point.

dek wrote:
It was always a bad idea to give a 10 year old explosives, ...


Probably, but we loved them. You can't imagine the creative ways we found to use them.

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And yet, despite this ideal youth, every generation finds a way to fuck up royal when they reach adulthood. It doesn't matter how much you loved being a free spirit when you were 16 if you're a goddamn moron now.


Haha. Well said. It's funny how adults are most against kids doing the things that they did most when they were kids. I just don't think young people get enough credit for being able to make good decisions. Too many decisions are made for them.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
And yet, despite this ideal youth, every generation finds a way to fuck up royal when they reach adulthood. It doesn't matter how much you loved being a free spirit when you were 16 if you're a goddamn moron now.


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Unless you're some kid that's been molested or beaten by a drunk father, childhood is _always_ better than adulthood.


I don't agree with either of these.

I can't wait to be 50-something and revel in the knowledge I could use my wealth and power to compel someone a third my age to have sex with me. Not that I would, since by then I'll be even weaker and more dessicated than I am now, and have neither the physical inclination nor the capacity, but that I could. Man does not live by bread alone.

Think: the closing scene of "Divorce: Italian Style".

Tuhl...I think it is possible to say that a given generation, or group of people, is better or worse off, stronger or weaker, more or less moral, owing to their culture.

I mean, kids have always been kids, but you look at what we have today, it honestly wasn't ever this bad. Ever.

You look at even our peers - young adults - and I can't imagine how most of them will get through life. Especially since it's clear that in the coming decades, life as a whole will be much more difficult than it is now.


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Aestu wrote:
I can't wait to be 50-something and revel in the knowledge I could use my wealth and power to compel someone a third my age to have sex with me.



Sometimes, I worry about you.


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Usdk wrote:
Aestu wrote:
I can't wait to be 50-something and revel in the knowledge I could use my wealth and power to compel someone a third my age to have sex with me.



Sometimes, I worry about you.

I think its rather reasonable for Aestu to want to fuck 20-somethings when he's 50.


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@Boredalt, I wasn't really trying to sound like I particularly disagreed. I liked being able to do stupid things that kids do, but I can't agree with the bit in Jubber's article about guns being safe. Adults still can't manage to use them right, so it's totally unreasonable to extend that to children.

I wasn't excessively supervised, but I do know some kids who were. I don't think it works to their advantage, but at the same time you need some kind of supervision, even if it's from afar.

Anyway. I can most certainly wait to be 50. I don't want to be 50. It doesn't get my rocks off to think about what I could do with my power and wealth, because by then, I'll apparently be incapable (let's not exaggerate too much here) of getting said rocks off in the first place.

To sum it up crudely, I'd rather enjoy using my penis now than wait 25 years and enjoy the thought of using it.


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in the 70s some kid shot a girl as she got off the bus from school while my mom was on the same bus.


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