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Actually, for me, this is less specifically about guns as it is about accepting responsibility. Guns are obviously dangerous, but there are many activities that kids are involved in that are/can be dangerous. Bicycling, motorcycles, scooters, go-carts, mountain climbing, trampolines, swimming, diving, water skiing, snow skiing, hiking, etc. This list could be very long. Without acceptable instruction, any of these can be and are fatal. My point was really that you teach your kids how to be safe in whatever activity in which they are involved, then you (and they) accept responsibility for their safety when they do it. You also accept that accidents happen, and it's not necessarily your fault just because you allowed your kid to participate in any given activity. Parents today lean toward non-participation than instructive participation, imo.


EDIT: btw, just b/c someone is 50 doesn't mean things have to stop working as intended. Just sayin'...

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Yeah 50's not exactly impotent-land. I was just replying in kind to Aestu's numbers.

Also, with litigious behavior being what it is in the USA of today (it's always had this tendency, but I'd venture that it's getting worse), I'd imagine that plays a big role in the excessive control some parents display.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

This. It plays a huge role in how nearly everything works. I have no knowledge of the history of civil law though so I have no idea how much it has/hasn't changed.

The issue is culture, not law.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Butthurt that leads to litigation and loss of sales is the reason I can hardly find a decent fat joke anymore.

WHERE DID ALL THE FAT JOKES GO?

The fatties ate them, duh.

Like Boredalt says, it's not entirely about the guns, but even if it was, there was lots of other things kids did (still do) that were just as unsafe.

Guns are just a tool, like a hammer or shovel with more moving parts, what makes them "dangerous" is the idiots handling them.

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Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

The biggest casualty of this is when Discovery Zone went bankrupt because they got sued out of the ass by parents who had kids injured on a playground.

RETIRED.
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I had an interesting experience today that drove the point home.

I went to Target to buy some things, and walked down to the checkout. The cashier was this girl, of course flirting with a male employee. I put my things on the conveyor, hand her some reusable bags, and tell her to pack the things in the bags.

I had picked out some towels and a collection of smaller things - shirts, socks, licorice, a flash drive and some airbusters that were on sale for eighty cents each.

"Do you want the towels in these bags?"

It seemed a pointless question. Why wouldn't I? I nodded. I watched as she scooped up the towels and put them in the bags.

What really struck me was how she did it. She didn't seem to grasp anything she touched - she would just kind of bend her fingers around things in a limp way. With agonizing slowness and inefficiency she managed to push the towels into the bags. I didn't particularly mind that she had balled up the neatly folded towels, diffidently pressing them diagonally against the bags, so much as the pointlessness of it - she could have been done all the faster just picking the damn things up, opening the bags and placing them inside. And it wasn't as if she was protecting her fingernails or was using only one hand - this weird pushing gesture took both hands and arms.

She then started slowly packing the next bag. She was wearing a low-cut T-shirt and made a point of slowly bending low and forward and showing off her rather unimpressive cleavage. I had provided two bags; she packed one with the towels, the other with the sundries. A few items remained, but there was enough space in the nearly full second bag for everything besides the towels.

"Do you want another bag for this?" she asked lazily. Another stupid and unnecessary question. I glanced back with disgust. "Just...put them over there." She looked at me uncomprehendingly and then over the course of a minute and a half slowly scooped them on top of the rest of the items, as if she was moving handfuls of styrofoam peanuts.

It's incomprehensible that so great a proportion of young people in this country are so utterly degenerate, so ineffective, they can't even pick up objects and put them in bags. It would be one thing if this person were organically stupid, or had a deprived background, or something, but someone clearly from an at least comfortable upbringing and reasonable access to the amenities of this society, and yet so totally ineffective, so clearly without self-awareness, is a worthless creature who should go throw herself into traffic and save the oxygen for those of us who have some sense of identity and self-determination.

The way I describe this minor interaction no doubt seems very petty or obsessive, but the underlying theme is a reality nonetheless. A while back, Jubbergun coined the term "Pussification of America". I didn't like that term then and I don't like it now, but I honestly can't think of a better one. That pretty much captures it aptly. People like that girl behave that way ultimately because they buy into this whole cult of weakness.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

There are a lot of other phrases just as inaccurate as "pussification of American," like "defining deviancy down," or "bigotry of low expectations," that describe only tiny facets/symptoms of a much larger problem.

We're on a road to hell paved with good intentions. Many of the changes that have led us where we are now came about for good reason...but those changes became so extreme and were implemented with such fervor that they went from innocuous adjustments to assist some group of people or improve their 'self-esteem' (gag me) to morphing into an absolutely ridiculous society destroying pestilence.

Welfare: Not bad if it was applied correctly, and it probably was at one time. Then somehow it got morphed in such a way that a family in need didn't qualify if Daddy lived with Mommy...so Daddy, not wanting his kids to do without, moves out. This becomes a new norm, and...hey, why bother getting married, I can't live with my baby-momma anyway? Things fall apart from there, and now we have a permanent underclass (not all black, though this is definitely one of the major factors in the decline of Black America). We, as a society, didn't just endorse an immoral choice that ran counter to what our culture historically embraced, but punished people for not making that immoral choice.

That's just one example. We live in a world where you can't make any legitimate critical analysis of any protected group because, regardless of whether your points are valid, benevolent, and (God forbid) intelligent, you are worse than Hitler for doing so.

Since I started with Fred, I'll end this post with him:


Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

I'm with Jubber on this. Societies that try to be everything to everyone end up being nothing for anyone. Unfortunately, for any system to succeed, there must be haves and have nots. There must be a ruling class and a working class. There must be defined roles. It sucks if you happen to fall into the wrong one, but at least you know where you stand. Kumbaya doesn't work...it only weakens. The majority should make a place for the odd man out, as best as it can, but not at the expense of what is best for the majority. When the two conflict, sorry odd man.

The problem is that we haven't lost the ability to identify something that's fucked up; we've lost the ability to say, "Hell, no!" "Pussification of America" is perfect.

Also, wft with litigation? Attorneys control every branch of our government, and they realized a long time ago that every law, every case, every argument means more $$work$$ for them, as a group. If attorneys only got paid for cases they won, and losers of lawsuits were required to pay all court costs and attorneys fees for the winners, we'd see a massive reduction in litigation and backlogged courts. Ya...not going to happen.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

Good luck getting that voted in by the attorneys, lol.



All this stems from over protective mothers who shouldn't have had kids in the first place, minority groups(who aren't being persecuted) trying to be a victim, and the people 50 years ago who were "movers and shakers" being demonized for being driven and ambitious.

Oh, the 'over-protective mothers,' or as I call them, the Shrieking Harpy Lobby. Just look at Mothers Against Drunk Driving. We've pushed drunk driving laws to the point where you could have half a beer with a 3 lb. steak and get your license yanked on the drive home for being "drunk," meanwhile repeat offenders continually get their driving privileges back within months because of some "hardship" losing it causes. One guy I went diving with in Florida had been convicted of 7 DUIs...but usually had his license back within three months because he could afford the lawyer to make it happen, and claimed if he couldn't drive it hurt his business. The difference in fatalities related to drugs and alcohol now as compared to when the group started is negligible. The only thing they've managed to do is make going out for a few drinks a major pain in the ass...which was probably what they wanted in the first place, a little prohibition dressed up nice for a modern audience.

Every time you hear the three magic words, "FOR THE CHILDREN," your hackles should raise and you should instinctively oppose whatever the fuck it is that the phrase is being invoked to justify.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Jubber, if you have not watched the entire collection, you must watch every George Carlin stand up special ever made. Almost all of your arguments are word for word what he has said. If you have seen them (which I expect you have) then cheers to you.

9 level 90s and 10 85s, Damn I need another hobby.

If the losers of litigation had to pay court fees and the attorneys costs of the winners, giant corporations would be even less afraid of anyone stepping on their toes. It'd be an escalating arms race, and the more lawyers you employ, the less likely anyone's gonna want to touch you for fear of paying your giant fucking bill.

Trust me here. We actually make less money under the current system (and let's keep it that way).

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh