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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/dude-youre-getting-cell

It's more Dell than Gateway.

http://scienceblog.com/12116/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug/

This is study concluded within the last five years, and shows no clear "progression" toward heavier or more illicit drug based on marijuana use.

An older study, commissioned by the government's ONDCP, showed similar findings, and was promptly buried/dismissed.

Not that I want to encourage people to sit around smoking weed and generally being completely fucking useless wastes of space, since the two tend to go hand-in-hand. Yeah, I know "but I blah blah blah"...deal with it, many potheads aren't your average every-now-and-again user, they're doing it daily, if not more regularly.

If they treated a lot of illegal drugs the same way they treat alcohol, consumption among minors would decline (because of availability if nothing else), and a lot of "I'm such a rebel" types wouldn't see the appeal.

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You and I pale in comparison to the amount of people I've known who did the exact opposite.



I like to refer to real life scenarios rather than some science blog. I'm sure I could go and search up a blog on google with an exact counter-argument.

People who blame smoking weed for turning them to harder drugs are WEAK individuals to begin with. In the same breath you may as well blame video games for school shootings and other violence. In reality and most cases these people were fucked up before they ever got their hands on weed or any other drug for that matter.

People always like to point out the increasing amount of violence we see in the news. They should also point out the fact the worlds population is increasing at a similar rate. SO with a higher volume of people, we will have more serial killers, psycho's, rapists and what not. Plus these people make amazing headlines and sell newspapers and get tv stations ratings. 100 years ago a town/city would probably try to keep these kind of things as quiet as possible instead of splashing on CNN for the whole country.

It is very messed up when people are begging for more government control but asking for more freedoms in the same sentence. AS LONG AS THE FREEDOMS THEY WANT AREN'T BEING CONTROLLED.

Yes, that's why Weed is illegal, and games are rated by the ESRB.

This is why weed was made illegal (sources included):

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why ... a-illegal/


Yet Alcohol, which has lead to more deaths, has lead to dependency (ever hear of AA), more long term health issues (liver/heart/etc) is legal.

Yet Tobacco, which has led to WAY more deaths (hello Cancer), straight up chemical addiction, and WAY more long term health issues (lungs/heart/throat/mouth/etc) is legal.


People who have addictive/destructive personalities will inherently move on to harder drugs. Not because they try weed and think "oh, now I have to do heroin"...no, it's because they get bored of it and have some psychological need to try the next "best" thing (or need to "fit in" by doing other drugs, etc.). The only "gateway" aspect of Weed is that it is the most mild of all drugs. It is even less harmful than current drugs that are legal (yes, Alcohol is a drug). So naturally, most people start with weed. Those who move on to other things would have done so anyway. Weed didn't make them move on. People just as easily could've started by getting drunk.

Lawmakers and conservative morons will try to paint a cause and effect relationship between weed smokers and hardcore junkies. It just doesn't make sense.

As for violent video games...same thing. I was raised on violent video games. I was blowing zombies apart in Quake when I was 11ish and killing Nazi's in Wolfenstein when I was about 7.

Yet I've never had the urge to go buy a gun, or shoot anyone. I've never shot up a school, or work, and never will. Why? Because I'm not a psychopath, and playing ultra-violent video games for over 15 years hasn't made me into one.

Sounds like you know a good amount of weak individuals.

http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

I must say, Heroin does go great on toast!


So what we've learned here is that only STRONG MINDED individuals may indulge in Marijuana. A true blue elitists drug.

I've been playing violent games for just as long and I find that I do feel more aggressive after playing them. Racing games have the same effect on me if I go driving soon after playing one. Although I'm not actually killing people, the thoughts have crossed my mind and, in some cases, the method used emulates a game I'm playing; stomping a face in a mech (thanks Xenogears), shooting someone in the face (Thanks GTA3) or zapping them with lighting (Thanks every RPG). I do own some guns so maybe GTA3 has it right?

Oh, and I'd be careful before you say, "Oh, I'll never do this, that or the other thing because I'm not a psychopath." Your limits haven't been pushed yet to that point - be fortunate for that fact.

What we've actually learned is that you either A) have no idea how to read things in context or B) are just trolling.


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I've been playing violent games for just as long and I find that I do feel more aggressive after playing them. Racing games have the same effect on me if I go driving soon after playing one. Although I'm not actually killing people, the thoughts have crossed my mind and, in some cases, the method used emulates a game I'm playing; stomping a face in a mech (thanks Xenogears), shooting someone in the face (Thanks GTA3) or zapping them with lighting (Thanks every RPG). I do own some guns so maybe GTA3 has it right?

Oh, and I'd be careful before you say, "Oh, I'll never do this, that or the other thing because I'm not a psychopath." Your limits haven't been pushed yet to that point - be fortunate for that fact.[/quote]

Glad everyone isn't alike. Been playing games just as long if not longer. I never got mad at a neighbor kid and thought of stomping on him like he was a koopa troopa. I must have really high limits because I've dealt with my share of tough times and down times in my life. I never turned to hard drugs or alcohol abuse to make it through. Yet I smoked weed before, during and after those times. Never once did it even cross my mind to try meth or crack or cocaine.

Everyone has a breaking point.

whatever happened to people that were just crazy?

blaming video games and movie violence only gives so much reasoning behind someone going crazy, and its shaky logic at best.


keep in mind, pre video games there were two world wars, post video games there have been zero.

OMG VIDEO GAMES ARE BRINGING WORLD PEACE

Saying you have to be strong minded to use a drug is IN context, it's exaclty whats being preached here.

Exactly. The best way to ensure freedom is to centralize authority and neatly segment society into the public and the private, the institutional and the personal.

It undermines freedom when there is a tyranny of the status quo, or of private interests, institutions, and the petty biases of individuals or groups. The state is The Great Equalizer.

If everything in my life is regulated except the things I want to be free, that means that I'm that much freer in those particular areas. If you don't have to worry about your future, about your physical safety, about your economic and personal security, it makes you that much more free to engage in self-discovery or making a life that you want to live.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.