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Nihilism is a copout.

The WBC people are idiot crackpots who obviously don't understand the implications of Christian theology.

That said, I'm tired of all the gay shit.

Here's a question that will piss everyone off and derail the entire forums:
If, as gay advocates claim, people are gay because they're born/wired that way, and they have no choice in the matter, doesn't it stand to reason that other types of sexual behavior outside the heterosexual norm are the same way? Are pedophiles also "born that way?" What about people that practice bestiality? "I was born needing to stick my donger in goats, it's how I'm wired."

Where does the "I'm born this way" argument end?

Some people are compelled to do things that we as a society find unacceptable, and we as a society attempt to correct their behavior. The nature vs. nurture debates will probably never be settled, but I doubt that we'd allow homicidal sociopaths to act on their compulsions and allow them to get off on the technicality of "I was born this way," at least as a matter of public policy.

In order for a society to be a society, there have to be certain norms established that the members of said society agree upon. I believe that one of the reasons our society seems to be in decline is that we have ceased to adhere to many of the standards upon which our society was originally built. We seek reasons to excuse abhorrent behavior: "My mommy didn't love me," "I was born this way," "McDonalds makes it too easy for me to be a big fat ass."

I don't care what two adults do in the privacy of their own home. I don't think we need to outlaw homosexual acts. I also don't think that we need to go beyond tolerance of homosexuality to outright acceptance and/or endorsement of the practice/lifestyle. Society's tolerance of homosexuality should come with the implied reciprocation of homosexuals tolerating that some in society find their lifestyle immoral, unacceptably unusual, or contrary to the natural order.

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Agree with Jubber

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

haha yeah, jubber for pres

The WBC came to Rutgers to demonstrate last year. They came at 7:00 A.M. because that's a time that's totally meaningful to any college campus where anyone will ever be awake. They'd originally planned to stay for an hour, in front of one of Rutgers's like 20 Hillel houses.

I think they lasted 15 minutes. I slept instead of showing up to fuck with them because I decided I cared more about staying in bed than about giving satisfaction to some fuckwits. Still, I didn't expect them to last any appreciable amount of time (and they didn't) while trying to protest a school that's like 20% jewish with a student body of 40k in New Brunswick alone.

Obeltin in Ohio had the best defense to these retards, though:




It ends when it starts causing (actual) harm to other people. It really is that simple.

And while we're at it, I'll nitpick. You're not born to be a murderous psychopath, unless you're one of the very very very very very few people who manage an insanity plea (and even if you do, good fucking luck all the same).

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Then I'll nitpick right back, and say that there's nothing more verifying the assertion that you're "born" gay than there is that you're "born" a homicidal maniac. Homosexual sex is an act. You can choose to participate or not. Just because you feel compelled to do something doesn't mean that you're obligated to act on the compulsion. In fact, it's been suggested to me that this is that thing what separates us from animals.

Either way, I'm am weary as fuck of "homophobe" this and "gaybasher" that and "we're second class citizens" everything else. We stopped beating their asses for being weird, now they want us to pat them on the head and tell them what wonderful little homosexuals they are. They can go fuck themselves with a wood rasp.

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There's a difference between two men buying a tub of crisco and having a ball after an Elton John concert and a man abducting and raping a child who does not give consent.

Homosexuality commonly occurs in nature, whereas interspecies erotica does not. Pedophilia is sort of a gray area, but its a nonissue considering children don't have the cognitive ability to make a decision that big.

EDIT:

Can someone explain to me this "homosexual lifestyle"? I've only hung out with a couple gay people in my life and with the exception of one (who was incredibly feminine and browsed dating sites for hookups nonstop), the only real difference is which gender's butt they fuck.

EDIT2:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/ ... 1928.shtml

PS: We had a discussion about these churches coming for college campuses in my ethics class. The real reason they do it (and why there are cops and video cameras ALWAYS) is that they piss someone off and they take a swing, the churches can sue the everloving shit out of the school for not protecting them. Like everything else in the world, its about money.

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Gay people are just brainwashed into being so.

Quite possibly but the rest of those have issues not with who they are or might be attracted to, but the ability of that person / creature to truly be a consensual partner.

Gay sex isn't rape. Sex with a child is, because a child can't possibly consent in a real sense; they have no idea what it means. And moreso for animals.

I mean, there's a part of me that's less concerned if you want to fuck a sheep. I don't agree with it, but at least it's not a sentient creature.

There is no derailing here, this isn't even a difficult question. You might as well have posited "I'm going to derail the thread here, but what if 2 + 2 = 5?" To which we would reply "it doesn't, that's stupid."

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(or for extremely large values of 2)

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WBC is dumb, everyone knows this.

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That's a completely different point, and not the one I'm addressing, though I do of course agree with this difference (please note that I said I don't give a fuck about two consenting adults doing shit in their own home).


Give an example where it occurs in nature, and not in captivity/domesticated stock.


Blame the homosexual community. If they didn't come up with the phrases, they've at the very least appropriated it. I'm not sure what it's supposed to be, either, other than the apparent wanting to recognized as being different from everyone else followed up by complaining about be treated like they're different from everyone else.


The complaints of an advocacy group hardly amount to real evidence. There are still incidents of racial violence in America, it doesn't mean that the KKK is treated as a respectable social organization or that we want all the darkies in the back of the bus. Then again, you seem to think that half the country hates brown people, so I wouldn't be surprised if you thought we were all pounding nails through two-by-fours waiting for our chance to roll out and pound the butt-pirates into paste.

You know exactly what I mean. Society didn't discourage roving bands of hooligans from beating the dog shit out of 'fags.' It was treated with a "boys will be boys" attitude, usually with the implication that the homosexual victim was "asking for it" by being a prancing fruit. That isn't the America we live in anymore, and we're better for it.


Yeah, I can't believe with all the wonderful, tolerant, open-minded people that populate college campuses around the country that someone would come up with a scam like that.

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Westboro just wants publicity... mission accomplished. Similar to the Florida church who were getting attention for threatening to burn the Qur'an.

The rest is pretty simple, imo, and has been stated. I think everything should follow these guidelines:

1. As an adult, you should do what you want.

2. If you harm another human being while doing what you want, you pay the consequences.

3. If you harm yourself while doing what you want, so sorry, accept responsibility.

Drugs? Sure. Animals? If you own them, whatever. Homosex? Suck/Lick it. Just keep your shit to yourself, and don't act like someone owes you something, or that your deviation makes you special. They don't, and you're not.

I realize authorities need to regulate certain activities, like speed limits, or bomb building, or firearms, as a general public safety issue, but if you can do it in the privacy of your own home, big brother should mostly butt the fuck out.

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Animals fuck other animals of different species. It probably happens more often than we have documented because there are a lot of animals and they're incapable of posting about their inter-species romp on the Twitter or Facebook accounts.

Chimp meets Frog.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI4xVeRjunk[/youtube]

Elephant meets Rhino.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwGPUvLmhec[/youtube]

Dog meets Cat.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSqZhqJiFIY[/youtube]

Dog meets Boy.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq6x_tUix0U[/youtube]

Furthermore, you say Pedophelia is a gray area because children don't have the capacity to make a decision that big? Who the fuck are you besides some psychology student? When I was a little boy I was capable of making big decisions and knowing the difference between right and wrong. Perhaps I can thank my parents for teaching me that it's wrong for an adult to hook up with a child. I get that your professor tells you that kids are incapable of making big decisions by themselves, but he's probably doing that so you don't feel so horrible about whatever happened to you when you were a little boy.

Again, good generalizations.

(Edit: Jubber, he's going to link some stupid video of a chimp jerking off some other chimp. The difference - We're not chimps. We can rationalize this stuff... well, most of us can.)