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How do you choose to like/dislike anything?

Also, gay sex doesn't necessarily equate to gay. A person of the same gender maybe be used as substitution.

Like in bestiality.


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I explained the rationale behind my assessment very clearly, maybe you "misread" it and missed what I had to say. I say it could just as easily be some form of grooming behavior, and given the nature of what's being groomed, such behavior is probably very necessary. That assessment is based off 3 minutes of youtube bullshit, basic knowledge of how nasty sex organs are on mammals, and the idea that animals act like animals and not people, so they're probably doing something that animals routinely do. Apes pick bugs off each, and birds eat pests off rhinos, the idea of one animal cleaning another is more plausible than the idea that they're gay for each.


You're right, I forgot about your extensive knowledge of how the phrase "genital slit" suggests that male dolphins have vaginas.

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Well, that's just convenient, isn't it? "My point is valid because this book says so. Ignore the obvious bias in the review in the link I posted about it, it's not important because it's not the book. Oh, you don't have the book readily available? That's just too bad, you'll have to take my word for it."
You know why I "seem to have decided that said evidence doesn't exist?" I've decided that because so far what you've submitted as "evidence" is terribly unconvincing.


I don't feel like digging through the literature to get you all of the citations. A quick search on "animal AND homosexual" in Web of Knowledge produces over 1500 possible results from the last 40 years or so (see here) - I don't want to wade through those to pull out the relevant ones, and most of them would be behind paywalls for you anyways. Conveniently for both of us, they're summarized in the book I recommended to you. If you aren't actually interested then don't read it, but you can't pretend that it doesn't exist.

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Let's say, for the sake of argument and not because you've done anything to convince me, that animals do display homosexual behavior in nature. How do we know it's really "homosexual," other than the fact that it's two males? Do you think that an animal, driven by impulses and not by cognitive reasoning, stops to think about where they're sticking their wing-wang, or is it merely a matter of "hardcockmustgosomewherenow," and they're sticking their junk in whatever is available without any regard to what it is? Can you make a legitimate comparison between a human being limiting itself to sex with its own gender to an animal of any type simply seeking release in any manner possible? I think that is too apples and oranges a comparison to make.

I know animals display homosexual behavior in captivity (I grew up in a farming community), but under such conditions they are removed from their natural environment. It's the same as putting a person in prison. Would a prisoner engage in homosexual behavior if they could engage in heterosexual behavior? As you say, no one can (or should) say with certainty, but I believe the odds would favor heterosexuality over homosexuality. This was something that was discussed in a philosophy class I took as an elective a few years ago. There's an implication that human society is itself seriously flawed and unnatural if it creates/encourages/contributes to behaviors out of the norm.

This still has nothing to do with results of arguing that homosexuality should be embraced because some people want to excuse their behavior by arguing that they're "born that way."

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I said "we can't say that animals are "gay" in the way humans are" in my first post in this thread. You were asking for evidence of homosexuality in nature ("I ask you to provide documentation of homosexuality in animals that actually occurs in nature"), and I provided evidence of same-sex sexual behaviour occurring in nature in an attempt to answer that question. If your view is that same-sex sexual activity between animals can't be "homosexuality", then you answered your own question before you asked it.
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I present to you, Aestu. Or a friend of mine, who is equally disinterested in either sex or relations.


Not accurate. I am not disinterested in sex or relations, I simply don't think they're worth the trouble as they are presented on the table. I'm definitely attracted to women, I just can't be bothered to deal with their bullshit.

I've seriously considered castration just to make life easier. An alternative would be to buy a harem stocked like Noah's Ark. Minus the males.

Believe me, if I could become a lich irl, I would do it. In a heartbeat. Being a lich would be so awesome.


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Laelia wrote:
You're right, I forgot about your extensive knowledge of how the phrase "genital slit" suggests that male dolphins have vaginas.

Their junk isn't dangling on the outside. It's tucked in a pouch. That's just asking for all the problems that go with a hot wet pore/duct/hole.

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I don't feel like digging through the literature to get you all of the citations. A quick search on "animal AND homosexual" in Web of Knowledge produces over 1500 possible results from the last 40 years or so (see here) - I don't want to wade through those to pull out the relevant ones, and most of them would be behind paywalls for you anyways. Conveniently for both of us, they're summarized in the book I recommended to you. If you aren't actually interested then don't read it, but you can't pretend that it doesn't exist.

Oooooooooooooooooooh, it's probably hiding on the same pay-per-view servers as the one that proves "bible math" is right and the Earth is only 6k years old and carbon dating is a fraud and that the Easter Bunny is actually the love child of Santa Claus and Mary Shelley, but we'll never know because the Five Jewish Bankers only let the Illuminati look at it in exchange for cinnamon chewing gum manufactured in Atlantis during the full moon of the summer solstice.

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I said "we can't say that animals are "gay" in the way humans are" in my first post in this thread. You were asking for evidence of homosexuality in nature ("I ask you to provide documentation of homosexuality in animals that actually occurs in nature"), and I provided evidence of same-sex sexual behaviour occurring in nature in an attempt to answer that question. If your view is that same-sex sexual activity between animals can't be "homosexuality", then you answered your own question before you asked it.

Yeah, we're disagreeing to agree. It's one of my hobbies.

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carbon dating

just throwing that out there.


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Jubbergun wrote:
Oooooooooooooooooooh, it's probably hiding on the same pay-per-view servers as the one that proves "bible math" is right and the Earth is only 6k years old and carbon dating is a fraud and that the Easter Bunny is actually the love child of Santa Claus and Mary Shelley, but we'll never know because the Five Jewish Bankers only let the Illuminati look at it in exchange for cinnamon chewing game manufactured in Atlantis during the full moon of the summer solstice.


I can send you any articles you want to read, but publishers like to get paid for their products and so most journals are only accessible if you have a subscription or are at an institution that does. Sounds like you've reached the bottom of your hole though.
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Tehra wrote:
I present to you, Aestu. Or a friend of mine, who is equally disinterested in either sex or relations.


Not accurate. I am not disinterested in sex or relations, I simply don't think they're worth the trouble as they are presented on the table. I'm definitely attracted to women, I just can't be bothered to deal with their bullshit.

I've seriously considered castration just to make life easier. An alternative would be to buy a harem stocked like Noah's Ark. Minus the males.

Believe me, if I could become a lich irl, I would do it. In a heartbeat. Being a lich would be so awesome.


would you keep a pet cat?
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Monotheist wrote:
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Tehra wrote:
I present to you, Aestu. Or a friend of mine, who is equally disinterested in either sex or relations.


Not accurate. I am not disinterested in sex or relations, I simply don't think they're worth the trouble as they are presented on the table. I'm definitely attracted to women, I just can't be bothered to deal with their bullshit.

I've seriously considered castration just to make life easier. An alternative would be to buy a harem stocked like Noah's Ark. Minus the males.

Believe me, if I could become a lich irl, I would do it. In a heartbeat. Being a lich would be so awesome.


would you keep a pet cat?


only if he had a monopoly on the critter bite market.

also, his original post was quite different.


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I don't think anyone is hetero or homo sexual until they put their dick in something.

Then again, homosexual and heterosexual have nothing to do with buttsex, IMO.

I think gay guys just like being able to have sex without all the nagging.


Are you f'ing kidding me? All but one of the gay guys I know are just as bitchy and back-biting as any hetero girl and the one that's not... well he's just plain emo.

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Laelia wrote:
I can send you any articles you want to read, but publishers like to get paid for their products and so most journals are only accessible if you have a subscription or are at an institution that does. Sounds like you've reached the bottom of your hole though.


No, I could go deeper, but I can't do it without you.

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Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property"

this is a good quote


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Ennkey wrote:
Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property"


Very informative. So, according to the Bible - the word of God - asexual or hermaphroditic slaves can be beaten with impunity. WBC is right!


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Liches are awesome. They get paralyzing touch at will and all their hit dice become d12s.

I'd say it's too bad they lose their Constitution score, but all the benefits of undeath kind of negate that.


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conservatives need to look up Hormone Washes. end of story.

also guys, what happens when we go into space? will i be socially penalized for fucking the shit out of blue avatar chicks, or hot robot girls from Mass Effect?


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Dotzilla wrote:
conservatives need to look up Hormone Washes. end of story.

also guys, what happens when we go into space? will i be socially penalized for fucking the shit out of blue avatar chicks, or hot robot girls from Mass Effect?


god i hope not
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