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 Post subject: @Halloween + Big Government
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:47 am  
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Mayor Mark Eckhert of Belleville Illinois believes the long arm of government should enact his father’s views regarding the age when kids are too old to trick-or-treat. The Mayor told ABC News “When I was a kid my father said to me, 'You're too damn big to be going trick-or-treating. You're done.’ When that doesn’t happen, then that’s the reason for the city governments to intervene.”(*) Therefore, if you are over the age of 12 and trick-or-treat in Belleville Illinois, you will be fined $100. It seems that other townships in several states are quickly following suit.

I understand the position of single mothers and senior citizens. It can be very frightening to have obnoxious teenagers ringing your doorbell, especially when it is dark outside. They could also be adults who can force their way in to rob the person’s home. It is often very difficult to tell just who it is underneath the costume.

Halloween never did much for me as a child and as an adult. I always ended up wrestling the shaving cream out of some punk kid’s hands who thought it was comical to douse people in shaving cream. My kids do not share my view; they absolutely love it, although they are rapidly approaching that “cut-off” age.

Nevertheless, in spite of my views and those who agree that high school kids are too old to be trick-or-treating; I absolutely abhor the idea of the government robbing people of their freedoms. In my neighborhood, there are subdivisions that get so into the day, the intensity of the decorations rivals Christmas. Adults dress in costumes to greet the trick-or-treaters. There are mobs of kids of all ages having a good time and not causing any trouble.

When the long arm of government reaches in, there is great loss of individual freedom. If you detest Halloween; then close up your house, and don’t answer the door. It might be a good day to catch up on all of those errands in which you’ve been procrastinating. It is one’s right to dismiss the day. Nervous single mothers and senior citizens may decide who they open their door to on an individual basis. Those who love the day can go all out. The bottom line is FREEDOM.

Why do some people’s viewpoints trump others and prevail because one is in a position of power to make their views law? The argument always goes back to safety. The news will report on the poor old lady who was robbed for opening her door to who she thought were innocent trick-or-treaters. Playing on the people’s raw emotions of outrage, the knee-jerk reaction is to support such a ban. The truth is people’s homes are robbed every single day. Therefore, people who never outgrow Halloween and wish to do no harm have to surrender their right to celebrate.

I quote Benjamin Franklin: “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” The magnitude of the erosion of people’s liberties ranges from minor incidents such as Halloween ordinances all the way up to the Patriot Act.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:18 am  
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Sounds like that mayoral mansion needs to get egged to shit.


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If the age was 18 or something higher I might not have cared, but 12? lol


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Meowth wrote:
If the age was 18 or something higher I might not have cared, but 12? lol


It's not even the age that bothers me. It is to some extent...12 seems excessive.

It's the overreaching arm of government..


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:20 pm  
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you can trick or treat til you can drive, then you go to haloween parties.


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Usdk wrote:
you can trick or treat til you can drive, then you go to haloween parties.


Agreed. Though there's no reason for the government to get involved.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:46 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Meowth wrote:
If the age was 18 or something higher I might not have cared, but 12? lol


It's not even the age that bothers me. It is to some extent...12 seems excessive.

It's the overreaching arm of government..


I don't even consider this the overreach of government so much as the overreach of a prick that was elected to government.

To say it's the overreach of government suggests that this jives with the general philosophy of American government, which it most definitely does not. No, this is just a prick who was elected mayor, and this won't withstand the first citizen to say "hey wait a fucking second..."


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Even though I stopped trick or treating when I was ten, this seems a bit excessive. An elected local government official shouldn't be able to decide on a social issue unless the majority of his constituents agree with his stance, especially when that stance is on fucking trick or treating.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:00 pm  
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That's my point, he can't.

I mean, there isn't a big cosmic hand that will slap him immediately if he tries... but that's why we have 3 branches of government, a court will say "you can't do that" and it will go away.


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This isn't at all a governmental power issue.

It's some retard with unresolved daddy issues pushing it on everyone else.

Plus, how do you ask a kid too young for a license to show you his ID? No one is required by law to carry a birth certificate, so this is just totally unenforceable. Good fucking luck to any cop who actually tries to carry out Mayor McRetard's decrees.


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Yuratuhl wrote:
This isn't at all a governmental power issue.

It's some retard with unresolved daddy issues pushing it on everyone else.




Also, you're not required by law to carry any form of ID. You have to carry a license to do something if you are doing that thing and it requires a license, so you have to have your drivers license if you're driving. But if you're walking around with a bag of candy, nope.


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I support this.


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The thing I love about having young kids is that I can take them ToTing to get me candy. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:10 pm  
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I was being asked at 13 if I was too old to be trick or treating.

Generally because I was already eye to eye with them.

My 18 y/o sister went trick or treating.


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