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I'd blame that on the fact that carding is a relatively new process to be enforced in the gaming industry. At a bar/liquor store/movie theater, they've adapted to the system. Game retailers haven't.

Can you name one where you don't kill anything in the game whatsoever?

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If by adapted to the system you mean being able to tell when a 26 year with grey in his beard is old enough to go see a SCURRY MOVEY, then yes.

Point taken.

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Nihilism is a copout.

Let's not be deliberately obtuse, although it's better than your deliberate verbose.

As a parent, I am not sure where I stand on this one. As far as my own kids go, we screen movies and games beforehand. We don't have to screen TV as much since we don't have TV service (Our TV is hooked up to a DVD/VCR, Wii, and one of our gaming towers). I won't buy violent games for my kids and I won't let them have them in the house. WOW involves killing, but it isn't the type of explicit violence that people are talking about. I don't even know how i could defend letting kids pretend to kill other people in such a graphic medium. Playing Cowboys and Indians is something kids have played for ages, but it never including graphic depictions of shooting, scalping, or other blood and guts.

Bottom line, these politicians are trying to force responsible parenting on the rest of society. If a parent doesn't have a problem with the game, there is no law against a parent (or an adult over 18) buying it for a child.

Buuuuuuuuuut, I don't like regulation I suppose if it were an outright ban on the games altogether, I might be pretty ticked, but it isn't against the law for a kid to possess the game, just to purchase it in the first place. I think all they are trying to ensure is that there is some parental (or adult) involvement before they pull the proverbial trigger. It is sad that some people feel the need to legislate this sort of thing, and sadder still that it appears to be necessary in some cases.

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So... then wouldn't movie ratings and those age restrictions be unconstitutional too?

What ever happened to leaving it up to a parent what they felt comfortable showing their kids?

I know kids that have gone hunting... actually gone out and shot a living creature. First hand knowledge of death and violence.

Doesn't make them psychopaths. Just makes them rednecks.

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Yea, I don't like this. It's not the governments role to parent our children; it's the parents role. It's the parents who are capable of determining if their child is mature enough for some content in a game or in a movie; not some prick sitting in an office thinking he knows what's best for the rest of us.

this. i also played conker's bad fur day back when it was completely controversial and wasn't even sold in most stores, and i was still in elementary school.

i know i have problems, but it has nothing to do with stuffed tediz and flying brain monsters. any kid who never learned this stuff isn't real and isn't mean to be copied just had dumb parents. i played this shit with my dad all the time since he got me into vidya gaming, and most the time anything super violent would happen he'd just laugh, ask me sarcastically "you CAN'T think this is real right?", and we'd go back to blowing shit up.

bro dad status.

We don't want a society of rednecks. And that is a very slippery slope. Where do we draw the line? Porn? Torture videos?

No - civil society sets boundaries on behavior that is damaging to those who do not have the power to say no: children.

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Nihilism is a copout.

No problem with this whatsoever. Actually surprised it isn't already the status quo.

My stance would be different if i had any faith in parents whatsoever. Society won't raise kids properly, so the only people left to do anything about it are the government. Whether or not violent games have a negative impact on kids is completely immaterial to me.

Kids who want their violent games can get stuffed. Or get their parents to buy games for them, which they'll do anyway because it's easier than actually spending time with your kids and raising them properly.

So why don't y'all just screen parents and then liscence them to breed?

that way, we don't have to worry about carding and shit on the other end of things, and i don't get carded by fucking gamestop.

Pretty sure we've already had a thread go down that direction. I'd prefer that tbh so i don't get carded. Not that i ever would, i only get carded by the most anal of anal people.

This is mostly an unnecessary extra layer of restriction. Games already have ESRB ratings, and plenty of places (if assorted samples are any indication) card potential buyers of M+ games.

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