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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:42 am  
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I want to interject one thing here.
Everyone knows Aestu on this forum, and most do on the server.
They have been a part of his pugs, had him in theirs (in my case) or heard stories through the grapevine.

In none of these cases would someone be lead to believe that Aestu is a tolerant and patient raid leader. He is a good leader, he gets the job done. But patience is not something he is known for.

So when someone joins his raids and is uncooperative, verbally voicing distaste in his raid style, insulting him in the raid...what do you think is going to happen?

I am sorry but this just seems like the same complaint people make when they get their loot ninja'd by a raid leader who is known and advertised as a ninja looter.

This is not an insult to Aestu what so ever. He has his style, I have mine. I think both have their place and Aestu has proven his method works with results.

I just think it is silly to berate someone for being who you already know they are.
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Azelma wrote:
I don't care about this Dagery business, but i'd like to address a few things in Aestu's response:

This seems like a half-truth to me. You wanted to keep disruption to a minimum to get the boss down, yes. However, you also realized that Purpledrink was doing very good DPS (and didn't want to go through the trouble of replacing him).

My question to you is....had roles been reversed, and Purpledrink was making an error, in his raid, and you complained about it (which I believe you would), and he did the same exact thing to you (let you down the boss, then kicked you to not let you have a shot at loot and make his point of "i'm the boss, don't fuck with me"....how would you feel? Would you ever want to raid with him again?


DPS wasn't the issue. The encounter is not a DPS race on normal.

With regards to your second question, I lead pug raids mostly because:

1. I'm locking something I want (not applicable)
2. No one else will
3. Everyone else doing so, doesn't do it as well as I think I can

The pendulum swings both ways...this isn't the army, pugs are not a going concern; if someone isn't happy with the job I'm doing and don't think they can convince me to fix the problem, they don't have to come. They can start their own run, or sit in Dalaran and do without.

With any given person, any given situation, people take the good with the bad, and make a value judgement as to whether the good outweighs the bad. That's a wholly subjective judgement: so many people, so many opinions. Flawed does not mean worthless.


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4 page thread on Aestu being Aestu and rage kicking raider for disagreeing with him.


Why 4 pages?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:06 pm  
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your post seems to contradict itself in some way. you wonder why this has gone on for 4 pages, but felt the need to add to it and maybe take the conversation a new direction, possibly adding to the page count even more.
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thegodslayer wrote:
4 page thread on Aestu being Aestu and rage kicking raider for disagreeing with him.


Why 4 pages?

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a vast majority of the thread has nothing to do with the premise.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:26 pm  
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dek wrote:
a vast majority of the thread has nothing to do with the premise.


True.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:59 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Azelma wrote:
I don't care about this Dagery business, but i'd like to address a few things in Aestu's response:

This seems like a half-truth to me. You wanted to keep disruption to a minimum to get the boss down, yes. However, you also realized that Purpledrink was doing very good DPS (and didn't want to go through the trouble of replacing him).

My question to you is....had roles been reversed, and Purpledrink was making an error, in his raid, and you complained about it (which I believe you would), and he did the same exact thing to you (let you down the boss, then kicked you to not let you have a shot at loot and make his point of "i'm the boss, don't fuck with me"....how would you feel? Would you ever want to raid with him again?


DPS wasn't the issue. The encounter is not a DPS race on normal.

With regards to your second question, I lead pug raids mostly because:

1. I'm locking something I want (not applicable)
2. No one else will
3. Everyone else doing so, doesn't do it as well as I think I can

The pendulum swings both ways...this isn't the army, pugs are not a going concern; if someone isn't happy with the job I'm doing and don't think they can convince me to fix the problem, they don't have to come. They can start their own run, or sit in Dalaran and do without.

With any given person, any given situation, people take the good with the bad, and make a value judgement as to whether the good outweighs the bad. That's a wholly subjective judgement: so many people, so many opinions. Flawed does not mean worthless.


If you could span that "not answering the question" out for another two paragraphs, you'd have a future in political speech/press release writing.

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Jubbergun wrote:
If you could span that "not answering the question" out for another two paragraphs, you'd have a future in political speech/press release writing.

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He does have a future in it I think.

I'm pretty sure I question Aestu more than anyone else on the forum. I think he actually answers 1 out of every 5 questions I pose.


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Aestu has made wonderful progress here. He already admitted fault, and I'm sure that while he isn't going to dwell on it and wallow in regret, he's never struck me as the kind of person to repeat mistakes. I think that as long as most of us have known one another, we know each other well enough to tolerate each other's foibles, regardless of how annoying they may be. While Aestu may not be the paragon of virtue and tolerance, he's still our pal, and we're aware of his shortcomings. There's no need for any of us to throw him under the bus, even while we're doing what all good friends should do in situations like this by saying, "Hey man, that's not right, and I'm surprised you did it."

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:29 pm  
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ITT:

Purpledrink lays out his complaint.


Aestu acknowledges and apologizes while also expressing the hope that the two can raid together in the future.


What did I miss? Except for being handled privately, how could this have been handled any better post factum?


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I'll answer that one:

Hot Aestu on Purpledrink make-out session on Aestu's giant used thrift store pillows.








You're sorry you asked now, aren't you?

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not gonna lie jubber, that sounds disgustingly sexy


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Jubbergun wrote:
I'll answer that one:

Hot Aestu on Purpledrink make-out session on Aestu's giant used thrift store pillows.








You're sorry you asked now, aren't you?

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How do I unread this?


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Boredalt wrote:
Jubbergun wrote:
I'll answer that one:

Hot Aestu on Purpledrink make-out session on Aestu's giant used thrift store pillows.








You're sorry you asked now, aren't you?

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How do I unread this?



YOU CAN'T BECAUSE
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