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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:22 am  
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You guys need to stop playing that game and come outside and smell the fresh air of Azeroth once in a while.


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Aestu wrote:
Did not vote
Do not care
The status quo will doom us all

Agree mostly.

I have never voted in my life.
Though I am registered.

I am of the belief that if there is no one worth your vote, you should not vote.
I despise those who vote AGAINST candidates.
When you do that you are pretty much saying "meh they both are awful, I guess I will just go with less awful". Congrats on "settling".
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I voted. Mostly Dems will win here, because I live in Massachusetts. My congressman Barney Frank will definitely win. I don't really care that much.


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The thing is, even if you don't vote, someone is getting elected. If they're both terrible and one is less terrible, why rely on the "other" people to choose for you?

Your ballot is more than just 2 seats in Washington. Just because they're the only people you see a million ads on the television for doesn't mean they're the only ones who exist. You're voting for local stuff too-- things that have a lot more direct influence on you than 2 jackoffs holding up progress in DC.

I voted for every race on my ballot that was contested, though I will admit that in the races for several district judges who were uncontested for their seats I did not.

Does it matter that I voted mostly democrat in one of the reddest districts in the country? Probably not, but at least I am trying to get my voice heard. This country could take some real steps if more people who "didn't care" would just take the 5 seconds to go push a button and make a voice for themselves. Instead I think the youth is just so used to the older generation making the decisions for them, they believe everything will be just fine if they never get involved.

But what will you do, never vote for the rest of your life? The people making decisions now won't live forever. Who then does that leave to make your decisions for you?


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Akiina wrote:
But what will you do, never vote for the rest of your life?


Actually the opposite of that.
I stated I would vote when I was FOR a candidate.
I haven't heard from a candidate yet that made me say "Hell yes I agree with all of that and they don't seem incompetent".

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Who then does that leave to make your decisions for you?

Decisions that effect your day to day life are made by someone other than yourself? Where is this at? Pretty sure I decided that I am going to be eating Panera for lunch today and not Governor Strickland
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If you guys don't think your votes matter then perhaps you need to look at elections of late. Politicians win by small margins all the time and it's those votes that make a crucial impact. You could vote in step with others around you or go against the grain (like Akiina), you could write-in candidates or you could be that candidate you so desperately yearn for.

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Decisions that effect your day to day life are made by someone other than yourself? Where is this at?

Is this a joke or are you being serious?
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Eturnalshift wrote:
If you guys don't think your votes matter then perhaps you need to look at elections of late.

Never said that was a reason I didn't vote, just to be clear.

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you could be that candidate you so desperately yearn for.

That is the plan or what I would like to get to in the future. But that is still a ways off.

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Is this a joke or are you being serious?

Mostly just playing around, but maybe 11% serious. Mmmm maybe 15% serious
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Henq wrote:
Akiina wrote:
But what will you do, never vote for the rest of your life?


Actually the opposite of that.
I stated I would vote when I was FOR a candidate.
I haven't heard from a candidate yet that made me say "Hell yes I agree with all of that and they don't seem incompetent".


Are you basing this only on political ads you've heard/read on TV/Radio/Mailers or have you actually checked out every candidate on the ballot? Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they aren't out there.

As little press or attention as they get, there are usually a multitude of 3rd party candidates from independent, green, or even communist parties in some areas. Chances are, at least one of them comes close enough to your beliefs that they're worth a vote. They usually have little to no chance of getting elected, but casting a vote for them sends a more powerful message than bumblefucking around at home.

If all the apathetic voters went out and voted 3rd party, at the least it would numerically show the number of people effectively saying "Republicans and Democrats both suck," and best case it'll throw the percentages off enough to show neither major party has the support of the state.

It's bothersome when I see people piss and moan about government, then I hear something like 30 or 40% of eligible voters actually went to the polls. Make a statement, even if your candidate ends up with 2% of votes. At least then when the 2 major parties fuck up you can honestly say you voted for something else.


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American politics has the unique dynamic of placing supreme power in the hands of the most poorly informed. In America, elections are won or lost on the swing vote - those who have so little information, such poor understanding, of any given topic, they haven't made up their mind until the day has come to vote or very nearly. And so we see candidates and narrow, organized interests spend enormous sums to influence those swing voters, who base their decisions in large part on these fifteen-second sound bites and appeals to the lowest common denominator. In practice, American politics is a stagnant morass with very little novel or genuine discourse, dominated by an impasse between closely balanced powers-that-be on opposing sides of issues, and the only real winner is the status quo.

I believe that American democracy will continue to stagnate along for decades and perhaps centuries to come, but will become increasingly irrelevant as forces outside the political system become more influential in the power balance and the running of the country. It is, of course, possible that a strong-minded individual, or a party with a clear and focused goal, will change the system at the fundamental level, but that is unlikely.


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Quit bitching about it and change it.
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CentauriFox wrote:

It's bothersome when I see people piss and moan about government, then I hear something like 30 or 40% of eligible voters actually went to the polls. Make a statement, even if your candidate ends up with 2% of votes. At least then when the 2 major parties fuck up you can honestly say you voted for something else.


I am not one of those people that complains about it at all. Never have.

And as to learning about the candidates through tv and ads. Of course I realize that tv spots and advertisements are little more than mudslinging attempts to sway half brained voters. I have met several candidates in the local area here. The mayor of warren is actually a friend and the officiant of my wedding. And he knows I didn't vote for him and wouldn't. Who he is in life, is not who he is in office...as seems to be the case with most people in political positions that I have met.
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Quit bitching about it and change it.


no u


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Akiina wrote:
Your ballot is more than just 2 seats in Washington. Just because they're the only people you see a million ads on the television for doesn't mean they're the only ones who exist. You're voting for local stuff too-- things that have a lot more direct influence on you than 2 jackoffs holding up progress in DC.


like i just voted on a nonbinding ballot initiative to tell our state legislators to support medical marijuana.


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I went in and voted anyway.

I voted that a felon cant run for sheriff, and i voted against a local tax hike.


go me.


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Thank god now all those damn adds will go away.


Why burn stuff, if we can burn like...WAY MORE STUFF?!
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