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Again, your idiocy rears its ugly head. YOU aren't being affected by me staying on my Mom's healthcare until I'm 26. I can't afford it because any job I can afford to have right now (in terms of time) is either unpaid or pays too little (volunteering, internships, etc I can't believe I have to spell this out for you...)

And only a republican could think that staying in school and focusing on a career and a future is being a "fuck-off." And it makes sense for them to think that since being stupid is a prerequisite for being a part of their political party. The other prerequisites are bigotry and selfishness.

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Ummm what?

It's not an issue of staying in school. It's an issue of being a burden to your parents and ultimately a fuckoff while you get a higher education. If you had any respect for your parents you'd use your BS to get a job while you pursue a Masters or higher. With that job, you too, could be a productive member of society, help take the burden of your education off your parents and afford your own insurance. Imagine that - providing for ones self. Crazy, I know.

Then again, what do democrats know about providing for themselves, assertiveness and personal responsibility?

Nothing, they are all lazy, good-for-nothing hippies who just want hand outs from the government. Also, Obama is Satan.

Also, this two party system makes me want to punch babies. Nothing ever gets done.

Give it two more years, the Dems will take power again when people realize a Republican controlled congress hasn't done anything better and the economy is still shitty.

Then the republicans will take power when people realize the Dems haven't done anything.

Then the Dems will take power....


On and on it goes.

The democrats won't take control of the house in 2012. In fact, I'm guessing the Republicans will try their hardest to undo some of Obama's damage like ObamaCare. If they can do that without being painted as obstructionists from the left (which is inevitably going to happen) then I'm thinking the Republicans will keep their level of control, or get more seats. The Senate will also swing to the right, too.

I'm also guessing the Republicans will take the WH provided we don't nominate McCain or some other RINO. A RINO for moderate votes isn't going to happen because of the rise of concern over fiscal conservatism.

According to a recent CNN poll, most say the blame is on Republicans for getting us in this economic mess, the Republicans are most fit to pull us out of it. Since the Economy is the number one issue for most Americans (something Obama forgot about when he spent all that time working on healthcare legislation), the Republicans will do all they can to make some changes on that front; specifically with the deficit and the unemployment rate. Mind you, Obama's approval rating is in the shitter (almost as low as Bush dropped in eight years) and the Democratic congress has hit all-time lows with theirs.

A lot can happen in two years tho... so who knows for sure. Just my wishful thinking.

No matter.

The republicans will have control for a while...will inevitably start fucking up or will be perceived to be fucking up

Negative PR = loss in votes = pendulum swings back to the dems and the process starts over again.

I think I'm officially never voting again, it's all horse shit.

I don't understand what the big deal is about allowing students to stay on their parent's healthcare until they're 26. You used to be able to stay on until you were 25-- in case you guys didn't know.

It isn't like the government is forcing you to stay on your parent's insurance lol. If you can afford your own or prefer to use loan money to pay for your school's version of insurance you're still allowed to do that. It just creates an option for those people who think it may be a better alternative. Besides, the quality of healthcare you can get from your parent's company may be significantly better than the alternatives available to you, and cost-wise isn't it less expensive to be added on to a policy? At least compared to paying for a new individual policy.

I'm not claiming expertise, this just seems like common sense.

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BUT AKIINA ITS GONNA COST TONS OF MONEY AND OBAMA IS HITLER COZ HE WANTS TO TAX EVERYONE AND SPEND IT ON HEALTHCARE.

Most insurance would cover dependent college students before Obamacare was passed. I'm probably just letting my racist, bigot, homophobe tendencies get the better of me by addressing things like that, but it occurs to me that your main complaint to justify that particular bit of idiocy is as empty as your "you're dumb" rhetoric.
Staying in school and preparing for a career definitely doesn't fall into the fuck-off category, but it doesn't absolve you of any adult responsibilities, either. My ex-g/f left her job to go back to school and bought her own insurance through a private plan. She pays about $90 a month for her plan, which covers prescriptions and preventative care. Since she's over 40 and hypertensive, she probably pays more than what some "kid" in good health would pay. They might even offer genius discounts, which would be good for you since you seem to have all the answers us stupid bigot, racist homophobes don't.
She has paid for her plan using her scholarship/student loan money. If someone were to purchase a similar plan, four years of insurance would cost $4320. It's probably easier to pass that cost off on the rest of society than to pay it yourself, which is what is going to happen. All this additional coverage for "kids," not all of whom are perfect little geniuses with all the answers going to med school, is going to drive up costs (oh, I forgot, "you" staying on your Mom's coverage doesn't effect me...you probably forgot about all the other "you"s out there) because now even the deadbeat losers are going to have the same coverage that up until now was reserved for college students.


Inorite? Thing is, under Obamacare, it's not just college students. It's any schlub at all up until age 26. That is going to have an effect on everyone in terms of increased premiums.

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I don't understand, would you rather the package (which was originally started by Bush, btw) not have happened? I don't like the fact that we gave them money, but we'd be in a hell of a worse pickle than we're currently in if we didn't give them money.



This is where I stop. You're so blatantly against "facts" and the "real world", there really isn't anything that anyone can do that can help you. If you honestly don't think that the top 10% aren't doing anything to prevent tax hikes by doing things like funding the tea party and putting out those ridiculous anonymous ads, there really isn't much that can be done for you.

PS: Linking "facts" about tax cuts from a conservative blog really doesn't help your case.

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Well then your problem with it is your opinion that everyone should be self-serving. Now it's just your opinion versus mine. I believe that those who can't afford it should get some help in affording it instead of being left to suffer. In my case, where we come from, raising kids is a lifelong commitment, not just until they are 18 and "adults" whereby we should kick them out of the house and let them fend for themselves in order to "prepare" them. You are only assuming that my mom is upset about paying for my insurance, when in fact she has not thought twice about it. My parents both turned out great with this parenting style. I'm not saying the other style sucks, in fact it works just as well. But you guys ARE saying that our way sucks, which it does not.

Also, driving up costs was the reason for the public option which would have kept premiums competitively low. Republican retards voted that out of the bill simply because you would have to pay a bit more. And now you're STILL crying about increased premiums. What genius plan do you have to keep premiums low and companies in check? Oh right.. keep things the way they are where insurance companies can drop you when you get sick (WHAT is the point of paying for HEALTH CARE if you are dropped when you get sick) and we still have to pay insane costs. Well as long as the top 2% of the country is happy...

But if you don't wan to let your kids stay on your plans until they are 26, then don't - nobody is forcing you to. But it makes their lives easier and in most cases, they appreciate it very much. But that's probably not good enough for you since it doesn't come with a $ symbol. In my case, it's one less thing to worry about, and at this point in my life I will gladly accept any help. Why can't this country be run like a team? Why can't we help each other out with a smile on our faces?

And nobody said it absolves me from ALL responsibilities (what's with the extremes, is there no middle ground? oh right, there isn't with republicans). Everyone lives in different situations and has different worries and responsibilities. I don't get what's so difficult to understand about that.

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So business is not powerful enough to come out directly and state what their deal is, and have to resort to anonymous adds and backing tea party members(a gamble at best)?

ok.

Also, I commend your ex g/f for doing what she did, it must have been hard. That makes her a stronger person than I am at the moment, but at this point I'm not really worried about being stronger - I'm worried about getting done and can use all the help I can get. Just as running a family is a team effort, running a country should be too.

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This is something agreed upon by most economists, both liberal and conservative, so I don't get why this is even an issue except to people who like to cup their ears, close their eyes, and scream over and over when people try to explain what's really going on. Grats republicans, you're all officially children.

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