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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:17 pm  
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Callysta wrote:
Just because I can't help everyone doesn't mean that I shouldn't help anyone.


First off, starfish are not self-aware because they do not have centralized nervous systems. This is also why I eat jellyfish and clams (which do have brains but very marginally developed ones). This is relevant because again your fable is an appeal to emotion and not reason.

To answer your point, this world's affairs are zero-sum. What you do for one, you do not do for another, and a good thing for someone, is a comparative disadvantage for everyone else. When you go out of your way to help, or express compassion, for only a limited part of the whole, based on your own value judgements, what you really do, is reinforce the status quo, and thus the injustices in the world. Hence my example of the horsemeat bill.

When you help some, based on your own value judgments, you're really practicing a form of bigotry, because you're not helping - and therefore hurting - those things that don't appeal to you. Think of it this way: if no one, ever, helped lovable dogs, people's compassion would lead them to deal with the problem with equanimity: helping all of god's creatures equally. The ugly and unlovable creatures would be able to sit at the table when the pie is cut. Instead they just get neglected, euthanized, or meet with indifference in their plight.


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Aestu wrote:
ignayshus wrote:
do you care if anything suffers?


Yes.

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if so, how do you define suffering?


A self-perceived sensation of negative well-being.

ignayshus wrote:
does their kingdom affect your response?


Meaningless question.

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if so, why?


It is physiologically impossible for creatures outside the animal kingdom to suffer because a centralized nervous system is a necessary prerequisite for awareness of suffering.

What is your goal in opening this line of questioning?

To understand why you think the way you do on this specific issue.

So pain is just a signal to the brain used to warn the animal of harm?

If not, please elaborate further.
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ignayshus wrote:
Do you not see your own logical inconsistencies?

Your modus operandi is to make a few basic unsubstantiated assumptions from which you take wild logical leaps to come to some predetermined conclusion.


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I don't hate you for that, I just recognize that's how you operate and it doesn't serve any personal purpose for me to try to affect that, even if I could. What you call nihilism, I call recognizing the reality of the situation.


No.

The purpose of moral judgement is to determine what actions and values are more morally correct. Refusing to make that distinction, saying all values, all judgements, whatever, are fully subjective, is nihilism - the belief that truth is unknowable - and what it really represents is a copout from having to make those distinctions which are necessary to being a good and morally correct individual.


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The conclusion of a moral judgement is based on the assumptions used. There are some universal truths, because they have universally (or at least very widely) accepted assumptions.
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ignayshus wrote:
To understand why you think the way you do on this specific issue.

So pain is just a signal to the brain used to warn the animal of harm?

If not, please elaborate further.


Even bacteria elicit stimulus/response. Brainless animals like leeches and sponge very obviously feel pain, which is why you can get them to drop off a host by singing them with a cigarette lighter.

The difference between pain and suffering is awareness. Pain becomes suffering through awareness. Awareness is a physiological process that takes place within a brain. The level of awareness correlates with the complexity of those processes.


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Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing match here. For whatever reason (probably because it's slightly more entertaining than sesame street episode that the kids wanted to see before we head out for Disneyland today) I'm genuinely interested in hearing you out on this, but frankly I don't have a lot of time.
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Aestu wrote:

The difference between pain and suffering is awareness. Pain becomes suffering through awareness. Awareness is a physiological process that takes place within a brain. The level of awareness correlates with the complexity of those processes.


And if that awareness is by some means incapacitated temporarily or permanently?
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ignayshus wrote:
The conclusion of a moral judgement is based on the assumptions used. There are some universal truths, because they have universally (or at least very widely) accepted assumptions.


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ignayshus wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing match here. For whatever reason (probably because it's slightly more entertaining than sesame street episode that the kids wanted to see before we head out for Disneyland today) I'm genuinely interested in hearing you out on this, but frankly I don't have a lot of time.


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ignayshus wrote:
Aestu wrote:

The difference between pain and suffering is awareness. Pain becomes suffering through awareness. Awareness is a physiological process that takes place within a brain. The level of awareness correlates with the complexity of those processes.


And if that awareness is by some means incapacitated temporarily or permanently?

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Aestu ate my puppy!
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I have as much as it takes the kiddos to get ready so if you please, if the awareness is otherwise incapacitated how does that affect your conclusion.
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Being vegetarian for the sole reason of the pain of the animal is one of the dumbest things imaginable, by the way.

All sorts of adorable field animals were ran over to make your soyburger, not to mention the hundreds, if not thousands of animals that were displaced (and chances are, would eventually die) due to their habitat being destroyed for the soy field.


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Ignayshus is Iggy, and Iggy is Callysta's Husband?

Just dawned on me with the Disneyland talk.
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Mns wrote:
Being vegetarian for the sole reason of the pain of the animal is one of the dumbest things imaginable, by the way.


I agree with you ;)


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Callysta, as far as i know, is allergic to meat.


which means she's a mutant.


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