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Conservation of Energy is something physicists see as a law in Physics, meaning it's been tested and been proven to some degree. "Energy can't be created." If, according to our laws of physics, energy can't be created then where did the constant source of Energy come from? Energy can't just exist without an origin of its own, right?

Since thermodynamics and other studies in Physics can't see past the point of origin, how can you be so convinced that whatever exists before the point of origin (or at some other point since the origin) isn't that which people call God? Because you read something in a book that says otherwise?

(Also, you said you know the history of the lie... but you only know what's been documented and you've read. If things you've read are good grounds for proving God doesn't exist, how can you dismiss other documents that say God does exist? Because you're smarter than a majority of the world's population... or at least because you think you are?)

Question is outside the purview of science. Go study philosophy or metaphysics.



I don't know where energy came from. but I know where God came from, because God is a character in stories people made up, and we have records of when and why these stories were made up.



How is it logical to attach credulence to a bunch of stories made up by ancient people and nomadic herders?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

The question is not at all outside science, it is simply be outside our current abilities. "I don't know" doesn't mean "God did it", but you can't just wave off something because it doesn't suit your view.

Dvergar /
Quisling

I realize you like that word Aestu, but believe it or not it doesn't apply to anything you've used it towards so far.

Thermodynamics has no bearing on theology other than to disprove a lot of what religion has put out there. That however wasn't the point.

The point was that science cannot explain the origin or even why we aren't a thin layer of energy. The best idea being kicked around, string theory/multiverse, requires as much a leap of faith as any religion considering it's made by men, supported by what shouldn't even in the loosest form of the word be considered "evidence", and is untestable. The point was science doesn't have an answer either.

And I really don't see a reason to disprove any theology, as it's their job to prove their doctrine is true, not the other way around. If you want to prove the flying spaghetti monster is lord over all, that's fine, but me not being able to disprove it's existence is not proof that it does.

The point is while scientists, theologians, philosophers, and mathematicians will continue to seek the unknown and maybe in time the truth will be revealed; but in the mean time, while they try to sort it out, I suggest everyone else just pick something that works for them and act civil.

For me, that's none of the above, but I'm open to any new arguments. I don't believe in God(s) or a self actuated event horizon, but I believe there is something beyond metaphysical or at the least beyond our understanding of the laws of physics. Is it sentient? Don't know, don't care. I'm just going to spend my time trying to enjoy the time I have, help others worse off than me. Why look a gift horse in the mouth?

Long on words, short on substance; the proof God doesn't exist is that we know where the lie came from, and it has no basis in fact.

Someone who believes in a lie because it makes him feel better is morally incorrect.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Just a question: Why does there have to be a definitive answer for everything?

I'd much rather say "I don't know and chances are we never will" as opposed to "My invisible superfriend made me out of Play-doh and here I am!".

RETIRED.
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like i said earlier. don't know, don't care. won't affect my life either way. people in much more influential of positions will always hold different beliefs than you, might as well get used to it.

That's funny. I think the same thing every time I see a post from you.

Callysta of Reverence

Do not agree

Everyone's gotta start somewhere and even the mighty are "somebodies".

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

edit: not worth it

Entomology, IIRC. At minimum, he's got 8 years more experience than Jubber in biology.



Only some of them.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

I live and let live on the God thing.

on the science side, there's no proof either way.

on the religion side, if God does exist(and people who believe in him have to accept that) then however the universe actually works must be at His command.

So really, neither side of thinking should really give a shit about the others as they each can exist within the other, but for fuck sakes shouldn't hate on each other.

i'm just saying, it's not something that is healthy to concern yourself with. in my opinion, religion is just the cosmic version of worrying. never gets you anywhere. bad people are still bad, good people are still good, regardless of the book next to their bed.

"Getting somewhere" is a red herring. Asking these questions is what gives life focus and meaning.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

ahahahahaha, no.