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I don't think Harvey Dent could talk out of both sides of his mouth as effectively as that, and it's kind of like his super-power.

To try to say that "what we do is different/better than those guys," while admitting that actual news staff, and not advocacy journalists like Olberman, contributed in previous elections doesn't hold a lot of weight. Fox after 8 (and the Beck circus in the afternoon) is, like Olberman and Maddow, advocacy journalism. There is no dispute that they have a biased P.O.V.
On those grounds, I don't disagree with either Olberman or any of the yahoos at Fox giving money to people they would like to see elected. I don't think the Olberman "suspension" (it will be a firing soon, I think) is about ethics or standards, either. MSNBC's ratings are in the tank, Olberman's included. After this election, someone at NBC/Universal probably came to the conclusion that while Fox could get away with their right-wing bias and turn a profit, they either couldn't do the same thing with left-wing bias, or couldn't do it with the people they had on air at MSNBC. Olberman, being the most ridiculous of their trio (and the first/only to fuck up) is going to get the axe to make way for either a more moderate liberal or someone different than what they already have at MSNBC.

In any case, trying to take the high road of "we're better because we don't do that," while making excuses for your colleague by trying to justify his behavior by comparing it the people you've alleged are inferior is laughable.

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What?

She's saying that MSNBC, the company and network, is not the same as Fox. They have rules in place to try to keep things like this in check, while Fox not only has no such rules, it as a company and network explicitly advocates for a political party and specific candidates.

Olbermann gave to political candidates without getting a waiver from the company first and got in trouble. Fox News doesn't even wait for their personalities to contribute, the company gave millions to republicans this year.

It's entirely different.

And I watched the segment in question, I don't think I heard her say that what he did was not against policy and that MSNBC wasn't in its right to punish him for it.

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Rules that you can "waive" aren't rules at all...they're guidelines at best.

You're right that Fox and MSNBC aren't the same. Fox isn't trying to hide what it, or at least its contributors, support. If it/they were, they'd make their donations through surrogates instead of doing it so that it's reported on campaign forms.

Then again, maybe you're wrong that they're different, because it was obvious that Olberman felt comfortable that it was just fine for him to make those contributions...and keep in mind that these contributions are reported by the campaigns. Why did he think he could make those contributions with no repercussions, despite the (obviously waiverable) ethics rules? My opinion, given MSNBC's content and the previously waived contributions, is that their was implied consent for this sort of activity.

I believe there was nothing wrong with what Olberman did other than that he didn't adhere to these ethics guidelines. I agree that he and others making such contributions should be open about them. I think that when commentators are open and honest about their views and where their bias lies, you know where to apply the grain of salt you should be taking with their commentary.

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If giving implied consent is suspending indefinitely without pay, I wonder how many police stations support rape, murder, discrimination, and corruption.

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having a blatantly left leaning commentator donate his own money to a left candidate shouldn't be against that company's rules.

or any candidate, for that matter.

If it was against the rules and olberman did it, he deserved to get the boot, just like Juan.

If Fox doesn't have those rules, it's immaterial.

Either Olberman is a complete idiot (which is not unbelievable) or something about the atmosphere where he worked made him believe he could do what he did with impunity. NBC/Universal maintaining their standards, whatever their reasons for doing so, is commendable, but I wonder if he's just as unhinged as he appears or if there was a good reason why he thought he could do that without consequence.

Since 50% or so of the people in the country don't agree with you, and are bigot-sexist-homophobes that hate brown people, I'm going to say probably about 50% of the police stations support rape, murder, discrimination, and corruption.


There are limits to what employers can and can't do, just like there is for anyone else in society, especially if there is any type of contractual obligations between the employer and employee.

Not really a parallel here with Juan Williams, anyway. NPR alleges they fired him for doing something that has been done on several occasions (offering an opinion) by other NPR personalities, and in some cases those personalities did so on NPR's own programs. I guess that "some people are afraid of Muslims even if they shouldn't be" is a lot more offensive than, just as an example, "I hope that politician and his kids/grandkids get AIDS," so it's all square.
It's funny that anyone would compare the Williams situation, where an analyst, who is someone hired to give their opinion, was being fired when they gave their opinion, to someone breaking a plainly stated ethics rule.

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75% of this is accurate.

I'd replace "support" with "don't give a shit about."

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Wait, am I supposed to be a bigot-sexist-homophobe?

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If you would suspend a bigot-sexist-homophobe indefinitely, then yes.

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If you're a Republican or if you have any Conservative principals, or if you remotely support the Tea Party Movement, then, yes, you're a bigot-sexist-homophobe. I'd even add xenophobe to the mix because I've been called that one around these parts. (By that guy above me, actually.)

Yes, so tell yourself to get back in the kitchen and make somebody a sammich.

(Humor...ha-ha. Bet Iggy would like a sandwich, though.)

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keith got reinstated.

hrm.

Now that it's been demonstrated how "different" MSNBC is, they can back to business as usual.

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UPDATE: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/128175-sanders-wants-halt-to-comcast-nbc-deal-after-olbermann-suspension

Funny stuff, apparently it is somehow Comcast's fault that Olberman got suspended even though Comcast doesn't control the network (yet?).

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