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I'm pretty sure they don't confiscate rosaries or crucifixes, which can easily be used to strangle people. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a similar process for dealing with Sikh turbans and Jewish yamulkes either.

Also, I wasn't aware that the freedom to practice whatever religion you want is considered "superseding federal law", considering its the first amendment and all. For as much of a hard-on conservatives have for the constitution, you sure are willing to ignore it whenever it doesn't suit your world view.

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Then why was he so confident his own is correct? If he studied them all, then he should

1. realize they are all bunk because they were all created by liars out of self-interest
2. suspending disbelief, choose the best one, not the one he was raised with
3. what about ancient religions that are still relevant such as Zoroastrianism?

The fact he did neither indicates that - as for many people - tolerance is merely a shill for his own biases.

Saying the chaplain is equally tolerant of Christanity and Islam is like saying he's equally tolerant of Camels and Malboros, and I don't want my tax money wasted on that shit.

But apparently "wasted tax dollars or bending over for extremists" turns into tolerance depending on where you come from, hmm?

The point I'm making tho, is that the reason the TSA gives this tolerance BS is so they can appear legitimate.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

What about the article from CAIR suggested that? Everyone has the right to ask for the things the article suggests, regardless of religion. If a Sikh man wore a turban through security he would have the same rights as a Muslim woman in a hijab. This whole thread is about how unreasonable TSA screening is, but when they offer a bit of sensitivity in one minor area you think that's offensive?

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

Yep. They should scan everyone if they're going to scan everyone. If they're making exceptions it shouldn't be based on religion...

i think to appease eturnalshift, the TSA should ONLY screen non-whites and gays


and maybe all liberals, too


and maybe all artists



and maybe all college-educated folk






and perhaps just anyone with glasses

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Except that in some religions, the removal of certain pieces of clothing are seen as just as embarrassing and dishonorable as having your balls groped in public by a hairy old dude during a public strip search.

Then again, I don't expect you to know (or care) about anything but your world view.

EDIT: SPOILER: They already scan everyone. The only exception is whether or not you take off a headscarf. Its not like Muslim women get some kind of exemption from the entire screening process.

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They are scanning everyone. If anyone has objections to the scanner, they can ask for a patdown, and if they're uncomfortable with being patted down in public they can ask to have it done in a separate room. I'm not sure why anyone would wear bulky headgear on an airplane without religious reasons, but if a non-religious person wanted to, they could and get the same treatment.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

Yea, because I'm so stupid back-woods hillbilly that hates all brown people, right? Sorry I'm not as edgy and progressive as you are, Golden-letter boy. (PS: You've never budged from your world view, either, dickface.)

You're making my point for me, though. Why do religious persons get protection from something that is equally offensive and embarrasing to individuals of no faith? Because of religion? You're one who often cites the separation of Church and State (often in the wrong sense, but I'll let it go because you're oh-so fucking smart and all), so why does the State give unequal protections? My position on this matter is that the TSA should give the option for passengers to pat themselves down if they extend that courtesy to religious persons... otherwise, treat everyone equally. (And to think earlier you had an issue with Profiling, yet you're fine with profiling?)

To the TSA's credit, clothing doesn't have to be removed if the machine can see through them, provided the passenger allows for that scan. Also, individuals could request a private room for the screening.



Spoiler's Spoiler?

When you say things like "Fuck Islamic Law" and questioning why the government is trying to accomodate muslims beliefs, I don't really have to.


Until they start doing public strip searches or check your balls for explosives, I don't think its as bad as violating religious laws. I'm pretty sure that in some cultures, a woman can be stoned for removing her burqa. Imagine being told that all of your life and then all of a sudden, some turkey-necked TSA agent wants you to remove it so she can see if you're carrying bombs?


Are we really getting into this "reverse racism" horseshit? Just because the TSA is actually sensitive to a group's concerns (I wouldn't call them legitimate, but its legitimate in their minds because they've been raised that way), suddenly white america is under attack?

I don't understand why you're even arguing for this stuff. This is a personal rights nightmare, but apparently it isn't as bad as obamacare or raising taxes because this actually helps us fight terrorists that aren't smart enough to use one of the many loopholes in the system as opposed to getting everyone health insurance or fixing our economy.

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Eturnal, the point we're making is, they still get searched, they merely get searched in a way compatible with their superstitions.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Can't you see that since we're being respectful of their religion, we're pandering to them? This sort of acceptance of other cultures is what will make us into a Islamic regime with Sharia Law!

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Actually, that's exactly what I believe, and in doing so, they enhance the legitimacy of the TSA. I merely don't believe it's true of Muslims any more than any other superstition given legitimacy by legal facilitation in any other realm. It's like talking in terms of Gearscores.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

In response to Mayo...

1) Islamic, or any religious law for that matter, should have no influence on our Federal Government and their actions. And everyone thought people in Oklahoma were crazy.

2) Yep. In a private room a woman should still be concerned with removing her religious garb because all the religious law police are issuing tickets for stonings and stuff, right? Maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to admit it's not about protection from some off-chance word might get back to Uncle Mohammed Mohammed and it's more about protecting a small group of individuals from getting their feelings hurt - all the while while hurting everyone else and offending the greater population.

3) I'm not saying White America is under attack of anything. I'm saying the greater population, of any gender, age or race, is going to be treated differently when special accommodations are made for a small minority. I just pointed out how you're ok with some profiling but not others... probably because this falls in line with your world view of appeasing everyone in the middle east. (ucwutididthar?)

And the reason I'm arguing this is because I think it's bullshit. I don't agree with the scans. They're too invasive and I don't think they're going to fix a damn thing, really. But, if they're going to do it they better treat everyone equally and not draw the line through some holy sand.

Equal treatment is all I'm advocating.

You're entitled to equal treatment. Go take a flight wearing a turban; you're free to ask for the same protections that any Muslim women would be allowed to ask for.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris