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So I went to the website, and I was hesitant to believe it at first. This is a video that was associated with the website.

Butterball Cruelty

After seeing the video and searching around the internet on my own I came across this

https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?c ... ion&id=765

Some really fucked up shit. I never thought I would be considering to be a vegitarian but seeing this shit makes me mad. I didn't have much problem with cattle slaughter houses because of laws enforced by the state and feds. These laws do not encompass turkeys and chickens. Fucking sick shit. Clearly something needs to be done about this. I understand supply attempts to meet demand, but there is a much better way to go about all this. Even Temple Grandin came up with a ton of ways to make deaths for animals more humane. Surely something can be done about this as well.

I am so not eating a turkey tomorrow. Fuck that.

If I am wrong, feel free to enlighten me. Hope this shows ya'all what's really happening behind closed doors. It's a sad story that none of us care to think about and rarely come across.

That was one plant or one company, that doesn't make it standard practice. It's legitimate to refuse to buy Butterball turkeys, but unless you're going Vegan things are going to suffer to feed you.

Dvergar /
Quisling

It's not just one company. There are many buisnesses that are only about the output of their company and I am not just talking about the chickens and turkeys here.

You are willing to jump to deny that anyone else would be doing any sort of business similar to this, but how many times have you been to other places to justify your denial?

I cannot accuse all places to be similar to this case, you are right. But until I know that they aren't, my feelings are to not trust anything until I know they have been proven differently. This is why I like kobe beef. I've seen the way these cows are treated. They are treated like gods. I don't know of any company that would treat these animals in any similar fashion or anything close to it.

Guess that makes us the imperialist's stereotype of the Pacific Islander then, because we really, really love eating our gods.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
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You misunderstand. I am okay with killing animals as long as their deaths are at least humane, which I believe in now more so than I did before. Before thinking and hearing about this, I was ignorant and happy thinking things were fine. After discovering the inhumane treatment these animals recieve and I had atleast contributed towards the company of several mass producers of these products, it makes me hesitant to spend my money knowing that I am eating something I feel is wrongly treated.

One animal that is slaughtered that I am aware of humanely are the kobe cows. If you know of more, feel free to add them to this list.

Vegans cause no harm to animals?

I'm sure those rodents, birds and reptiles that dwell where you farm your food don't mind getting chewed to bits by the harvesters.

Unless you're surviving on your own shit, something is suffering so that you live.


Not to quote princess bride or anything, but life is pain princess, and anyone who tells you different is selling something.

Fuck fretting about animals. I only fret animals that are higher on the food chain than I, and there aren't any.

Have you ever considered the possibility that it's this very mentality that sets us in motion for further destruction of ourselves? Have you ever read Ishmael?

To quote wowwiki



If you truely believe you are the top of the food chain, then how much of us can be at the top till we begin to collapse, or do you not care for that either? My point relates to the fact that there is no care for these animals as they are brutally slaughtered.

Let me ask you this, do you care about the destruction of our trees or the possibly negative impact that the non-existance of our trees will lead to the destruction of an ozone layer?

Oh please.


I'm saying veganism is not as harmless to animals as everyone likes to tout, and you're bringing in some existential bullshit?

I haven't had to compete for food with anything, ever, so yes I am at the top of the food chain. So yes, you're wrong.

Existential? Yes.

Bullshit? No.

Just because I have empathy for the animals that I now currently eat does not mean it is bullshit just because you lack empathy for the animals you choose to eat.

This does not exclude the possibility of you changing your mind at any given time in the near or far future so the door is open for you to step through when you're ready to walk through this "existential bullshit".

I could be wrong, though I am your kind of wrong. Did you watch the video I posted? Have you ever owned a pet animal? Do you care about your environment? I have a good feeling for about half if not all of the answers to these questions I ask you. I ask you, and the viewers of the board, because our society has for so long neglected the impacts we make.

Had someone been above us on the food chain and treated you in a similar fashion to the video posted above, I would be shocked if you still felt the same way. Just because a threat currently isn't there doesn't mean there won't be one down the road. It may or may not be in our lifetimes, who knows? Either way, it doesn't matter. What matters is the survival of our species, right? If that's the case, shouldn't we take any and all precautions to do that?

Existential "bullshit" in my opinion will further that cause. That's what has set many people's heads in a spinning fashion when the global weather was being accounted for along with the ozone layer and the rainforest and so many things we bring destruction to and neglect to consider until the aftermath has hit us.

You really are not contributing to this discussion, and you are a terrible troll. Seriously you are. Coming from someone who has trolled relentlessly, been banned from the game more times than I can count, and is on half the server ignore list (most likely), I have to say your attempt really sucked ass.

I used wowwiki to summarize a book, so that he wouldn't have to be ??? about my query of his reading the book. I could have paraphrased something similar as I read the book myself, so would that had been me providing a quote, or anyone else, it wouldn't have mattered. It was an accurate quote.

Really weak on all levels if you ask me.

I'm not trolling and you still don't see what you've done a second time around.

Really dumb on all levels if you ask me.

I was about to post some stupid troll response without having watched the video.

But curiosity got the better of me..I did indeed watch it.

That is pretty disturbing, though not a shock to me.

Upon watching the video, I did get angry. I am not so naive to say I will never consume meat again, but it does make me angry about their treatment of the animals.

I'm probably just gonna start buying more kosher items when I shop, it costs more but they do more to preserve the dignity of animals.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

I think naive was the proper word here. I'm all for more humane treatment of animals but unless you're raiding and slaughtering them yourself that just isn't going to happen.

The guys in that video were screwed up individuals, unless you believe that every poultry/hog/cow processing plant is staffed by fucknuts, you can't assume that this is happening everywhere.





Kosher killing involves slitting the animal's throat and letting it bleed out. Non-kosher killing of pigs/cows involve bolt guns being used to either knock the animal out or kill it outright immediately.

Dvergar /
Quisling

Link from Peta

its totally unbiased and every video is professionally made and researched, and nothing is ever fabricated. they also do a great job of portraying more than one side of the issue.

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