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Again paddywack, my point was about veganism. You want to argue with me about something completely different, and a hypothetical no less.

When the supreme alien overlords come and put us all in 2x2 cages, then we'll talk.

With regards to Quittermike, my discussion with you about this ends on this post. You obviously did not read the post, the quote I made, nor the video. Since you feel that quoting Wowwiki is innappropriate, I welcome you to read the book and provide a quote yourself. Other than that, you seem rather hurt that I came back with an intelligible post with regards to your lack of reading skills, and I welcome your further stupidity in this post if you like, but I won't waste my time responding to it any further because you lack the intelligence to fathom anything worthy of futher comment in this discussion.

@Dvergar...



Like I said, I agreed with you that the act of one should not constitute the attitude of all. However, before I was igorant by not looking into this myself because of choice, lack of willingness to visit places like this, and lack of time that I choose to set aside to do these things. Therefore, as I said, I cannot feel that I can trust other companies and slaughterhouses until I spend some more time researching for myself their ways of slaughtering the animals that I have chosen to consume in the past. This is a personal choice, and if this seems logical to any of you, I welcome you to partake any bit of my feelings about this matter from this discussion.


@ Quadtard



Yes, they were links from Peta. There are other links not from Peta as well as official documentation from the USDA that I came across. I do understand your sense of sarcasm fortunately so I will respond thusly so... not everything is biased, it did have a touch of professionalism with regards to the journalism related to the subject and it clearly wasn't fabricated. When you believe in one thing strongly enough, yes, things do look one sided in a discussion.

Same goes with religion, politics, and any other topic we'd care to talk about. That's why each person is fortunately capable of coming to their own conclusions about things and able to make their decisions based on their choices. This allows us to the words morals, integrity, and honesty. The problem lies in the situation caused by one company that may or may not represent the situation as the whole across the board. It also doesn't deter the fact that the possibility exists for other situations like this and it should be looked into. I used to laugh at people who cared about animals as I believed one day they would turn to fucking them and hope to marry them and give them rights like this, but I clearly misunderstood their intentions with regards to animals because I lacked the emotion to care, which has been changed now. This is why we have a brain, to rationalize for ourselves what is right and wrong. I feel this is wrong which if why I make the post, even if it is from PETA.

@Usdk



Yes, your point was about veganism, but you shield your feelings from some pretty honest questions. Philosophically, yes, there could be some alien overlord that will come and put us all in a 2x2 cage and if you feel like you want to open up the discussion then, that's fine.

You missed one of my points though in this thread. Emotion. Emotions connect to everything we do, even if you have a lack of them.

I asked you if you had any for your surroundings, and from your statement, would it be safe to say that you do not care for the destruction of the things around you?

Your argument was about being at the top of the food chain. I responded to that but my other points were ancillary, albeit philosophical. It does not deter the original point that I made. They enhance my point if anything. The video shows lack of emotions for their surroundings. This is a huge philosophical discussion to begin with when I first linked the video. Would you kick and punch and throw around an animal like that? What if it was your puppy? A cat? Fish? Anything you care about??? Say your child if you have one?

Hypothetical: One day a company mass produces babies for consumption. We all joke about dead babies. Would you really kill one this way?

It helps me understand this so I know which angle to take if you respond to this, which to be honest, I have appreciated so far. I just don't appreciate the inhumane treatment towards animals now.




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If the video was doctored in any way, I wouldn't know. It doesn't looked scripted. I am sure if they showed the full 24 hours of that video or from start to end of it showing what happened, I doubt the arguement would still be there saying that it isn't happening all the time and it's over exaggerated.

I really welcome all of you to watch it, and be a bit more open minded about the discussion. If after watching the video you still feel the same way, so be it. Atleast then we will be able to argue the points of the video as well as the philosophical points of this discussion. Otherwise, you can be like Quittermike.

I did and my point remains/stands

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Out of curiosity, do you own a pet? By the way, thanks for sharing in the discussion :)

It's this kind of shit that makes you not worth arguing with.


I'm not advocating beating the shit out of lower links on the chain. I'm advocating not having survivor's guilt for being the top.

Emotions are fine and all you simpering baby girl, but crying over some animal somewhere you'll never meet is a waste of your time. Do the work or don't, that i can respect, but don't rub your used tampon all over it.

That was in resposne to react, didnt see your reply before i hit submit there, and yes i do have a pet, and at one point had dozens

Had lolgoldfish
2 gerbils, a hamster, and i am on my second dog.

I miss my dog more than most of my family.

I am THE man.
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Oh man, if there were only free-range turkeys that you could buy....

Just kidding, being vegan for the sole reason of animal cruelty is fucking retarded, considering thousands of animals died for the land that your soybeans are on, are killed by pesticides (assuming non-organic), or are ran over by farming equipment/killed by farmers.

Meat is one of the tastiest things on the planet and we're programmed to eat it. If you want to eat a less fulfilling diet, be my guest.

Also, for the record, quoting wowwiki makes you look like a complete idiot. At least use wikipedia, since I really don't like your "I'm going to respond to every sentence about me with a paragraph" shenanigans that take up half a thread.

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You assume I am choosing to be vegan because of animal cruelty. This is not true. I am simply wanting to not support products that support animal cruelty. I still will continue to eat meats and poultry but want to understand better as to how they were killed prior to reaching my plate so that I am making a rational choice to continue to eat these products knowing that I, myself, feel better in knowing how they were treated before hand.



Eating other animals happens in nature so I don't disagree with doing it. "Less fulfilling diet" is in the eye of the beholder. It can even be more fulfilling in other ways that you don't believe matters.



This bolded part was added after the post's creation. I had meant wikipedia and not wowwiki, explanation in next post.

You really didn't read anything that I said about Wikipedia did you..? :(

--> Realized I meant Wikipedia and not Wowhead at this moment.

If you want, go Google Ishmael yourself and find another fulfilling description of the novel. As I said to Quittermike, the quote was made for my argument that society perpetuates a myth by assuming it is on a higher level than other animals, but the book makes the point of if there was nothing to support man's current status, where would man be?

This rant from you I didn't expect as your previous posts were rather intelligible but knowing you didn't read the book, that I provided a quote of the book's synopsis for you so you didn't have to look it up yourself, and that you still threw it up here doesn't make sense to me. You are very welcome to read the book yourself if you cared to but the point I was trying to make was the one at the end of the previous paragraph.

Ah, perhaphs I made a typo. I meant wikipedia. Regardless of the source, the quote was accurate from wikipedia, which I provided for your ease. You should have seen this was a mistake /frownyface

You should have seen past this however, I am disappointed that you hadn't. Source does mean a lot but had you taken the time to read the book or research it yourself (much like another point of mine with regards to showing empathy for things we don't know reach our table prior to their death) we wouldn't have been here, to which your counter point would have been "Your error was so retarded" and I would agree but atleast you could have looked it up and corrected me if I was wrong or read the book yourself :]

I guess in this case I apologize to Quittermike.

I did not realize I posted Wowwiki, it was either late at night or early in the morning when I made that post and had meant Wikipedia. Regardless of the source of information, the quote, as I said, was an accurate description of the book. I apologize for any rebuttals with regards to your collective sarcasm at my quote from Wowwiki, which had meant to be posted as Wikipedia.

And again, location of information describing the book ultimately doesn't matter as the quote was relevant to the explanation of the book and was an accurate description.

Half the turkeys eaten probably drowned in the rain.

This whole thread is dumb.

If we hire people at minimum wage to do a repetitive job for 8 hours a day involving animals going to slaughter, you're gonna get some assholes doing cruel shit.

Does that mean every single bird ever killed is mistreated? No. Does that mean every animal ever killed for consumption has been mistreated? No.

If you want to boycott a company based on this, go ahead. Making the jump to "OH GOD I NEVER KNEW SO NOW I MAKE BLANKET ASSUMPTIONS AND CAN NEVER EAT MEAT AGAIN OH GOD" is dumb. One video doesn't make you an all-knowing expert. Use your brain and logic and determine a reasonable response to seeing something like this.

Free range, local, organic/non-organic meats are going to be much better cared for in life and death. Short of that, you can always go kill your own turkey so it's up to your personal humane standards.

All that being said I don't defend anything those workers did in that video, so don't freak out.



P.S. the comments on that youtube page from all the PETA jerks are pretty lol.

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There's no worse feeling than that millisecond you're sure you are going to die after leaning your chair back a little too far.

Not freaking out by the way, just responding to your post.

I would rather start my own company and hire competent workers that wouldn't mistreat animals even if I had to pay them a little more, but being paid minimum wage is no excuse to be an asshole to an animal that did nothing to harm you.

What the workers did was inexcusable.

You might be right about the wild animals. Though I have never taken up hunting, I had always thought of it and wanted to learn more about self-sustainability but I haven't made time to allow for that learning yet. Perhaphs this is a start to that path. /shrug

Also, I am not an expert. Just on a path to understanding myself better now that I have seen this video and making decisions based on that. For sure, not until I know more information, I am choosing not to support Butterball products based on this video and other related content from USDA.

I know, right.

I find this website interesting, I am gonna read more :D