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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:25 pm  
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http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/20 ... or-2-years

Band-Aid but hey maybe it'll help for his next stimulus lol :)


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hooray for meaningless symbolism?

i don't think drastically cutting spending is a good thing in a recession, but i really do hate politicians who look at huge issues and try to get away with teeeeeeny tiny fixes, which will inevitably not accomplish anything.

this also goes for any politician who talks about earmarks btw. stopping earmarks will not actually reduce the budget a single dime, because earmarking is not increasing the budget but rather allocating it specifically. and even if it would lower the budget, it would be by a retardedly small amount.


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I like this move. Although it is clearly a political saving-face type move, I think it won't hurt the deficit, and might even help a little bit.

dek wrote:
this also goes for any politician who talks about earmarks btw. stopping earmarks will not actually reduce the budget a single dime, because earmarking is not increasing the budget but rather allocating it specifically. and even if it would lower the budget, it would be by a retardedly small amount.


While it may not reduce the budget, it will make sure the funds are allocated to things that actually help the country. My mother worked at the Ohio Department of Education, and there were so many employees running programs that only existed because of earmarks. Not surprisingly, these programs more often than not simply wasted money and did little to nothing for education.

Anything that stops earmarks is good in my book.


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Azelma wrote:
I like this move. Although it is clearly a political saving-face type move, I think it won't hurt the deficit, and might even help a little bit.

dek wrote:
this also goes for any politician who talks about earmarks btw. stopping earmarks will not actually reduce the budget a single dime, because earmarking is not increasing the budget but rather allocating it specifically. and even if it would lower the budget, it would be by a retardedly small amount.


While it may not reduce the budget, it will make sure the funds are allocated to things that actually help the country. My mother worked at the Ohio Department of Education, and there were so many employees running programs that only existed because of earmarks. Not surprisingly, these programs more often than not simply wasted money and did little to nothing for education.

Anything that stops earmarks is good in my book.


Not necessarily. Earmarks include wasteful projects, but they also include the legislatures general capacity to tell the executive branch what to do, which is an important part of a democratic system.

Without the earmark system, you lose your ability to tell the federal bureaucracy to stop doing stupid shit with your money.

And even if every earmark ever was wasteful (which they aren't), again it's like .001% of the budget, so it's still not even remotely a serious topic to discuss. It is the epitome of a meaningless political symbol.

The same goes for a pay freeze for federal employees. That saves a couple hundred thousand dollars, maybe a few million? We waste trillions.

It's like taking a single drop of water out of the ocean and saying you stopped the tide.


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While it may not reduce the budget, it will make sure the funds are allocated to things that actually help the country


Actually, it just means the money will be spent by the executive branch and not the legislative. Even the much maligned bridge to nowhere was actually a bridge to a small town that served as a popular port for cruise ships. Like much in Alaska, supplies and people need to fly to and from it, and the road would have helped the town immensely. Fuck Stevens though, that corpse can choke on a whole bag of dicks.


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It may be a "drop," but you get enough drops, you can fill a bucket.

Given that recent studies have found that federal employees make 1.5 to 3 times what their private sector counterparts make, not giving federal employees a raise just because it's January 1st a good public relations move if nothing else.

This doesn't really do anything to stop government pay hikes, since most federal employees pay is based on their years of service, and they will be getting pay increases even without this so long as their service continues.

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Jubbergun wrote:
It may be a "drop," but you get enough drops, you can fill a bucket.

Given that recent studies have found that federal employees make 1.5 to 3 times what their private sector counterparts make, not giving federal employees a raise just because it's January 1st a good public relations move if nothing else.

This doesn't really do anything to stop government pay hikes, since most federal employees pay is based on their years of service, and they will be getting pay increases even without this so long as their service continues.

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And if you fill a bucket, you still haven't affected the tide even the slightest bit.

Unless a politician is talking about solutions on scale with the problem they are trying to solve, they are feeding you a sack of bullshit and people of both parties would do well to stop falling for it.


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The problem with that thinking is that the scale we're talking about is a direct result of drops and buckets, not waves and tides.

Nothing can be seriously done about the problem until we have some people willing to slaughter some sacred cows.

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it's a good move regardless. gov't employees are paid way too well.


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Usdk wrote:
it's a good move regardless. gov't employees are paid way too well.


Except soldiers - who continue to ride the gravy train despite being useless - not really.

Any given field, you'll earn more in private industry than government with the same experience and credentials. Except the military, where even a dropout can earn high five digits.

What is bleeding the government dry are entitlement programs, the military feedlot, and private contractors, none of which are affected by this. It's a meaningless gesture that will probably cost more than it is worth because our economic well being is supported by good governance.


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adn yet 5 billion out of several trillion won't swing it much either way.

ever been to the post office? fuck gov't employees.


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Usdk wrote:
ever been to the post office? fuck gov't employees.


This is something I've never really understood.

I work in an environment where I'm required almost daily to go to the post office to pick up more stamps or pay for certain services. Sometimes it may take a little time to get what I need. But 95% of the time it's due to people being retarded or getting pissed off over something minor.


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Usdk wrote:
ever been to the post office? fuck gov't employees.


Soldiers are government employees too.

But yeah, I have. And I'm willing to bet, way more than you. (Seriously. As in hundreds of times more.) On average it's a positive and professional experience.

Then you consider they get paid substantially less than they would with comparable hours, skills and performance in private industry.

I mean, they'll deliver a letter, anywhere in the US, for under half a dollar, and anywhere in the world for a few bucks. Reliability is basically 100%. How can anyone complain about that?


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Aestu wrote:
Usdk wrote:
it's a good move regardless. gov't employees are paid way too well.

Any given field, you'll earn more in private industry than government with the same experience and credentials. Except the military, where even a dropout can earn high five digits.


Wrong.

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