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 Post subject: NASA discovers Arsenic Based Life
PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:58 pm  
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New life on Titan conference @ 2 PM.

Nasa TV


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Holy FUCK


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:03 pm  
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Mono Lake has moved to Titan?

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/12/02/mono-lake-bacteria-build-their-dna-using-arsenic-and-no-this-isnt-about-aliens/


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:10 pm  
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Laelia wrote:


No. Mono Lake has not moved to Titan.

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But not this one. This one is completely different. We knew that there were microorganisms that processed arsenic, but this bacteria—discovered in the poisonous Mono Lake, California—is actually made of arsenic, with phosphorus absent from its DNA. The implications of this discovery are enormous to our understanding of life itself and the possibility of finding beings in other planets that don't have to be like planet Earth.


The above was a quote from the page I posted. Titan is a moon orbiting Saturn (planet edited for correction) I believe. In the website I posted, the first one, the news post describes that on earth, we have a total of 6 different life forms. Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur.

However, until now, there was no proof that showed Arsenic as a candidate for a life form. The closest that it came to it on Earth, was the Mono Lake bacteria, but it's structure is not Arsenic, it merely utilizes Arsenic as bacteria that processed Arsenic as a means for survival.


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The significance of this article is not that bacterial based life forms have been found, but that this particular specimen can survive, and even thrive in an arsenic environment. This is totally gamechanging. It basically means that life could exist in infinitely more planets and locales than previously believed.


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I'm sure, prior to this discovery, most scientists in her field would've laughed off that notion because it doesn't follow the conventional understanding of DNA composition. Yet, if this is true, their team has been able to go against the 'settled science' of so long and laugh in the face of all science up to that point.

Just goes to show you that regardless of how right you may think you are - even with all the data stacked in your favor... you might not be right, afterall.
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Eturnalshift wrote:
I'm sure, prior to this discovery, most scientists in her field would've laughed off that notion because it doesn't follow the conventional understanding of DNA composition. Yet, if this is true, their team has been able to go against the 'settled science' of so long and laugh in the face of all science up to that point.

Just goes to show you that regardless of how right you may think you are - even with all the data stacked in your favor... you might not be right, afterall.


There is a difference between asserting a negative and being skeptical of a positive. Science is a means, not an end, and it doesn't need to pretend to be omniscient to be valid.

Science adapts and expands - not collapses or props itself up with internal contradictions - when experience increases our knowledge and understanding of the world.

The fact DNA can be built with arsenic improves our scientific understanding of DNA, it builds on the foundations established by past work, it doesn't prove everything we knew was wrong...it proves what we knew was right, because if we didn't know it, we wouldn't be able to comprehend this new information. It would be like a caveman trying to understand the power of the Internet.

This is precisely why science provides useful and factually correct information.


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You'd be wrong.

Science is full of people recording and experimenting, but it's also full of people thinking towards the future and thinking about what our current knowledge makes possible. There is nothing we knew that told us that arsenic based life-forms were impossible.


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Aestu wrote:
This is precisely why science should never be trusted.

Fixed for the Conservative World View (CWV).


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Science is trustworthy. scientists, being human, often are not.


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NASA thinks they know everything but a little bacteria made of arsenic just said, "oh no you didn't"


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Usdk wrote:
Science is trustworthy. scientists, being human, often are not.

If humans didn't "practice" science, then who would? All scientific laws and theories that you see as fact have been experimented on and proven by human scientists with their own varying degrees of bias and ability.

Just because something contradicts the conservative norm doesn't mean it should be immediately shot down by said conservatives in favor of established traditions.

I'm in favor of keeping positive traditions alive (e.g. Christmas regardless of faith) but to mistrust scientific evidence based on who may or may not be providing it is to go against reason.


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Wait if they are made of arsenic.... what shampoo do we use to kill them?
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quadtard wrote:
Head and shoulders.

But that's for nitrogen based life forms!
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