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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:16 pm  
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There's no reason NOT to make everything more energy efficient.

I think more people would be on board if the people pushing it weren't such toolbags. I'm looking at you Gore.


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Usdk wrote:
I think more people would be on board if the people pushing it weren't such toolbags. I'm looking at you Gore.

If we keep up our current trends, you can explain to people a couple hundred years in the future that they live in a climactic clusterfuck is because you didn't like Al Gore.


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Hey i'm on board, i'm not going to have to explain it to anyone.


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Mns wrote:
Usdk wrote:
I think more people would be on board if the people pushing it weren't such toolbags. I'm looking at you Gore.

If we keep up our current trends, you can explain to people a couple hundred years in the future that they live in a climactic clusterfuck is because you didn't like Al Gore.


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Serious Question: Do you even know what the word "climactic" means?


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i think he means cataclysmic.


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Usdk wrote:
i think he means cataclysmic.


i was more curious if he was intending to pun.


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If we keep up our current trends, you can explain to people a couple hundred years in the future that they live in a climactic clusterfuck is because you didn't like Al Gore.

And progressives, liberals and democrats call the Republicans fearmongers!?
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Jubbergun wrote:
I didn't bother reading it

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I got a little farther than "journalism is hard because..." when I realized the only person that bit of fluff was granting grace to was the author, and stopped reading.


Looks like I'm in good company.

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No one is arguing against not littering, or not dumping crap in the environment, or against not using the world as our own personal cesspool. No one is arguing against responsible conservation, or against improving efficiencies.

They are arguing that some of the measure taken or proposed are excessive. They are arguing that there should be some doubt as to the nature of the warming (anthropogenic or not). They are arguing that if the standards set for the industrialized world are proper that they should also be adhered to in developing nations. They are arguing that regardless of the any of the above the issue shouldn't be a justification for industrial nations giving pay-offs to developing countries. They are arguing that the issue is being abused to justify pay-offs to lobbies like ethanol.

When those arguments are constantly met with "SCIENCE!!!!!!" there is a reason the science gets attacked and is met with extreme skepticism...especially when there is more than a little evidence of dishonesty and foul play in regards to how it is generated.

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Jubbergun wrote:
No one is arguing against not littering, or not dumping crap in the environment, or against not using the world as our own personal cesspool. No one is arguing against responsible conservation, or against improving efficiencies.

They are arguing that some of the measure taken or proposed are excessive. They are arguing that there should be some doubt as to the nature of the warming (anthropogenic or not). They are arguing that if the standards set for the industrialized world are proper that they should also be adhered to in developing nations. They are arguing that regardless of the any of the above the issue shouldn't be a justification for industrial nations giving pay-offs to developing countries. They are arguing that the issue is being abused to justify pay-offs to lobbies like ethanol.

When those arguments are constantly met with "SCIENCE!!!!!!" there is a reason the science gets attacked and is met with extreme skepticism...especially when there is more than a little evidence of dishonesty and foul play in regards to how it is generated.


If you don't like the policies, then discuss the policies. It's possible to have a rational discussion about the merits of particular approaches and solutions. It isn't possible to have a rational discussion on the science when your approach is to blame everything on a global conspiracy and refuse to consider any sources that disagree with your truthiness.


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