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rest assured, the USA is #1 in self-esteem.

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^ this.


stop being nice to kids imo.


no one is special, and shouldn't be treated as such.

Sad but true. We've got kids that look like Paddywack IRL who don't think there's anything truly wrong with what they're doing to themselves, irresponsible parents who raise their children to leech off of the government just like they've been doing all their lives, and people who would rather turn their kids into zombies than utilize basic child psychology to resolve any problems their child may have.

And yet Americans as a whole continue to let these unproductive societal stragglers fiscally flourish, providing them with special benefits based on their self-inflicted faults and refusing support to those who would ask for it in a true time of need.

But, you know, those stragglers will get by with a pat on the back telling them how they're not so different from anyone else and that they have support for their problems. Or they could just ignore said problems altogether. Ignorance is, after all, bliss, right?

Sorry I'm just now getting to this, I've either been tired or drunk or farming.

Minus everything else, you're not worried over censorship? Well I'm worried- not paranoid over something like that. I'm not just talking about what the video mentioned, examples like China blocking any searches about things like Taiwan or Tibet, Nobel Peace Prize etc(pretty damn important stuff).

I'm pretty positive our government under anyone like Bush or Obama would be willing to press the FCC to block things like wikileaks (and what else could be even possibly more important to us in the future) as soon as they know they have the means and legal argument to do so.

This is just the tip of mine, and many others' worries as already posted.

And it's not just some Republicans, it's democrats too on my side, surprisingly even D-MN Al Franken. Or as some of us may remember him affectionately... stewart smalley haha

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/the- ... en-argues/

"Franken: Under FCC’s ‘neutrality’ rules, ‘the Internet as we know it would cease to exist’"

If the internet was literally owned and ran by businesses, what would make you think that there wouldn't be censorship? You act as if the government wouldn't put pressure on the corporations to get what they want censored anyways, only if private interests were involved, they'd probably censor things that didn't portray them in an excellent light.

If the cigarette industry was in control of the internet, do you honestly think you would be able to access (or at least be able to access with some sort of speed) sites that said that cigarettes were deadly?


I guess this would make sense if we were actually China or something like that. The thing is, however, we aren't. If the government REALLY wants something censored (ex. if Al Qaeda put a .pdf terrorism manual on the internet), they're going to get in censored one way or another. A great example of this was the pressure governments put on corporations to shut off wikileaks's cash flow, effectively shutting it down.

Privatizing the internet doesn't make the internet censorship-proof, considering I'd imagine that certain sites would have to be blocked in order for corporations to even sell their internet in the states to begin with.

EDIT:
Just read your link, the second paragraph is this:

The reason that democrats are with you on this is because corporate interests have already got their hands in the bill. They aren't voting it down because they're against the government controlling the internet, they're against it because lobbyists have already rewritten the bill to fit their needs.

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The point is leaving it as free as it is currently, no one's arguing for a company to run the internet, so I don't know where you're getting that from. We're all enjoying the internet right now right as it is free right with us making our own provider choices? If you leave the internet free like it is now a single company can't control it, similar to how a single company can't control an open and free market (a completely free market which we currently don't have, look at the mess that's getting us into).

If you're worried so much over private involvement you should be more concerned over this FCC debacle than I because of company's like comcast right now are having their monopolistic attitude encouraged. Any measures sworn to be upheld by the FCC are already in place via licensing why give them the means to screw us when we do not need them. FCC is currently overriding courts and legislature to do whatever they want right now, and it's going to come back and bite them, hopefully before they fuck up our internet. If you're worried over private company's running the internet you have more to fear than I with FCC holding hands with the biggest of them. Some folks are concerned over a possibility of a 2-tiered internet over a FCC/big corp. alliance. They do such a good job making money off of us via wars, housing markets, etc our government and their friends do. Let's not bend over and give them another route.


I guess this would make sense if we were actually China or something like that. The thing is, however, we aren't. If the government REALLY wants something censored (ex. if Al Qaeda put a .pdf terrorism manual on the internet), they're going to get in censored one way or another. A great example of this was the pressure governments put on corporations to shut off wikileaks's cash flow, effectively shutting it down.

Privatizing the internet doesn't make the internet censorship-proof, considering I'd imagine that certain sites would have to be blocked in order for corporations to even sell their internet in the states to begin with.

EDIT:
Just read your link, the second paragraph is this:



oh there's a lot in that link if you read ALL of it, (only about quarter of the dems are with us on the entirety of the issue at the moment). Just give em the power and see what else happens.

So you're concerned over private company's regulating the internet without FCC helping out... which hasn't happened successfully as yet, and if it did the company would have serious fallout issues, and this exactly what I was getting at in my earlier paragraph about a Government/Corporatist alliance. /sarc Why don't we just elect lobbyists instead of senators while we're at it, it can be one of the new many branches of the government. /endsarc