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Disclaimer: I don't Arena competitively, but I have arena'd in the past "for fun." Also, I've always had a priest as my main, so PvP made me bitter because no matter what spec, I'm always attacked first. I don't claim to know all their is to know about PvP, but I have my opinion of it, please feel free to poke holes in this opinion as I'm always willing to hear opposing viewpoints and change my own. With that said.....

PvP in WoW Sucks Dick

Face it, PvP sucks (from a development standpoint) and it will never be balanced in WoW. Think about it, Blizz is always nerfing and buffing abilities randomly...they will never reach the perfect balance...or even get close. While the classes may change, there will always be one or more that are overpowered. Again, this is why PvP in wow is kind of a joke imo. There will always be the some combo of classes that is by far the best in arenas - making it stupid to try other combos (unless you're really pro...and even then, you'll be like 1 unique class combo team out of all these other top teams in the world that are all the same few classes). Lame.

If PvP were how it should be, teams with equal gear and equally skilled players should be able to choose whatever class combos they want and have success (assuming they always have the same basic makeup - a few DPS, and a healer). It just won't happen because blizz simply cannot balance classes in PvP and PvE at the same time.

I just don't trust blizzard when it comes to class balance. Remember when Death Knights came out and they were fuggin ridiculous? Blizz was like "oh lets make a hero class...okay we will make them have a shit ton of spell damage reduction abilities, give them abilities and weapons that can turn clothies into mush...then we'll let them wear plate!" Then they spent all their time nerfing DKs over and over to make up for the fact that the class was retardedly designed (in terms of balance with other classes).

Consider the state of Feral druids right now. I know the droods are bitching about these nerfs...but that class/spec is currently raping everything...so blizz of course has to fix it. Don't worry though, some other class will get hit with the nerf bat soon, and then blizz will slob the knob of another class while the nerfed ones bitch. DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE HOW FUCKING DUMB IT IS? I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS (to quote Sir Will Farrell)!

Again and again, Blizz just buffs/nerfs/buffs/nerfs. If they could only focus on PvP - MAYBE they could get it right...but Blizz themselves have said that they don't/won't use Arena to determine class balance.

WORLD PVP SUCKS DICK TOO:

Stealth class = win
Non-stealth class = usually lose

Gay.

Ganking parties - retarded. What blizz should do is give a buff to single players. Think about it, if you are brought into combat, and are outnumberd by the opposing faction, you gain a buff like the one in Wintergrasp. That would actually make it cool. I know blizz could do this, just make some code that if you have debuffs or are taking damage from two different player sources, the buff is set off.

inb4: PvP'd on a PvP server
inb4: l2pvp noob
inb4: stfu Azelma go stalk a girl on the bus
inb4: insert generic STFU insult here
inb4: random trolling


TLDR: TELL ME HOW/WHY I'M WRONG!!!

btw I'm not pissed or anything - just all the bitching about pvp made me make this thread to state my opinion that PvP blows ass.

I luv you all.

Pvp in wow doesn't suck dick at all, not even close.

Majority of the wow community will say pvp is imbalanced, but why aren't you tanking advantage of it then with some of the comps?

Blizzard has made many stupid moves in the past, and they will continue to do so. Back in season 5, when PHD was at the pinnacle of unstoppable, they added a stun to LnL procs for survival hunters. That's how majority of the hunters got Furious Gladiator, or even normal gladiator. They'll make stupid mistakes, and there so mind boggling that it can determine how far you go in some seasons.

World pvp has always been a fun time for myself and many of my friends I play wow with. Going to orgrimmar at late nights over the summer time in groups of 5-7 taking on 10-15 is always an enjoyment. No matter how many people you have, you'll always win due to the players you're playing with. Due to them not being able to talk to one another at the time, they wouldn't do things they should have done. We were able to control the outside of orgrimmar for a majority of the time. It's always fun to win, and it's even more fun when it's at the opponents home city.

It's impossible to have balance between pve/pvp at the same time. No matter what you do for one aspect of the game, the other will take effect from it. An example, a lot of hunters are complaining about the sudden nerf to explosive shot. It's nothing huge in my perspective, but some people find it the end of the world that they're doing it.

I'm not saying anything in your post is inaccurate, I'm just stating how I love pvp, and even though Blizzard will make mistakes throughout the lifetime, it will always be fun, and never suck dick in my opinion.

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It's hard to love pvp when your class in general is gimped.

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When you talk about pvp, do you mean world, battlegrounds, arena, or dueling?

World PvP generally goes to the aggressor, which is why whenever I see a rogue I either kill them or mount off. Feral Druid, usually mount off, but we'll see after the patch. Stealth is overpowered in this environment. Gear matters and matchup are very relevant, but if you're getting caught off guard or with a mob, the odds are already against you.

Battlegrounds are balanced and have been for a very long time. Tactics and execution trump all, including gear.

Arena's are harder to balance. I've never been one to 5v5 so I can speak to balance there, but 3v3 is balanced most of the time. You win based on your ability and a little luck except for against this one-comp where you've got little chance to win and this other comp where you could roflstomp them with your eyes closed. Gear matters, but it isn't going to carry you.

Dueling is like world pvp without as much advantage to stealth. Some classes are just the rock to your scissors.

But yeah, being a priest has always been "special" in pvp. I remember back when I rolled out in the full Ironweave set, ZHB and some other tanking trinket I can't recall. I was pushing 75% damage reduction versus melee with trinkets proc'd.

Switched out the shoulders and the wrists (I think) for the ZG ones that increased smite range to 42 yards. You could spam 1 second rank 1 smites on flag cappers from beyond anyone's reach.

Good times.

They've done it right in the past, so I'm not so quick to dismiss it. TBC, mostly around seasons 2 and 3, was what I'd consider the pinnacle of skillful PvP in WoW. The patch that introduced Quel'Danas, meanwhile, was the pinnacle of outdoor PvP. I have never had more fun PvPing than during BC, in any of those seasons, whether it be arena, BGs, or outdoor. Sure, there were balance issues, and it may be because hindsight paints beautiful pictures, but none of the problems seemed as egregious as death knights, or Dismantle, or destro warlocks during WotLK.

I want to say they're getting back to where they were, but that's just not true yet. Arena is certainly already better than it ever was during WotLK, but it's not even close to being near even the lowest point of BC. That said, I'm a warrior. I can do BGs with a healer and go 30-0 to make me feel good about myself, and the guy with the glowing hands is doing all the real work. I recognize that your mileage may vary and that the game's only sort of balanced around PvP. I don't, however, think it sucks. I think it's a shame that the scales are so stacked depending on the fight and the class, but that's an inevitability in a game with class-based combat. Furthermore, I think it's a damn shame how much they're homogenizing abilities like interrupts and CC and the capacity for burst, because everything that made certain classes interesting and cool now fails to distinguish them.

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For all its flaws i still enjoy pvp.

This.


I suppose I should clarify - I mean design wise PVP really sucks. I have had fun PvPing before. Really, one of the highs in WoW is beating someone when you've been jumped, or just winning an epic battle.

PvP sucks....until this happens:
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and then i play WoW FOR DAYS

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you're not allowed to do this.

WoW is fundamentally a PvE game and the flaws of PvP will always reflect this.

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Nihilism is a copout.

PvP is World of Warcraft. No matter what is happening, if I am engaging another player in combat, it is instantly way more enjoyable than fighting some scripted shit. Plus, scripted shit doesn't get mad. Scripted shit doesn't feel raw anger after being killed for the 100th time and being covered with spit emotes. Scripted shit doesn't send you angry tells or tell you how awesome you are. Scripted shit ain't shit.

As Tuhl said, BC was the most fun time world PvP wise. QD was where it was at. I was lower level in vanilla so I can't speak for it. That being said, I've hated my rogue no where nearly as much as I hated it in Wrath. I think I love him more now than ever.

Oh and if I want balanced PvP, I'll go play Brawl+ or something.

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