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I like how you're hung up on this "THEY HAD A GUN SOMEPLACE OMFG!!." Having a gun is a lot different from brandishing a weapon. While this is not something I would do personally, some of these people do this as a form of speech. They are making the statement that gun rights are very important to them, so much so that they exercise those rights out in the open where everyone can see it.

Does it make other people uncomfortable/frightened? Probably, but since when does that bother you? More than a few people have been uncomfortable with and/or concerned about your gratuitous use of the word "faggot," but you press on with that full speed ahead because, hey, you're exercising your right to express yourself. My biggest issue with your argument is that you're fine with other people's feelings being stepped on while you're doing your thing, or if you agree with the thing someone else is doing, but the minute someone's stirring the pudding with a flavor you can't abide, the rules change and people's feelings, whether they're uncomfortable or afraid or offended, suddenly become a criteria for judging those with whom you disagree.

I also think the "THEY HAD A GUN SOMEPLACE OMFG!!" argument is stupid, especially in the context of the Tuscon shooter. He didn't come to the meeting proudly bearing his hunting rifle. He had a pistol hidden under his shirt/jacket and didn't pull it out until he was ready to start shooting. You're talking about people with hunting rifles that everyone could see. There's no comparison. Hell, one of the people that tackled the shooter had a gun. The guy came running down the street to help, but when he saw the slide on the shooter's gun locked back (this happens when it runs out of ammo), he tackled the guy instead of pulling his own gun so that it wouldn't cause any confusion.

I also think the implication that someone merely possessing a gun is grounds to believe they'll use it and that people should be afraid is a bit demented. Are guns somehow magical? What makes a gun any different than anything else, like having a cell phone? Just because I have one of those I'm going to leave the ringer on and answer it during a movie? If I have a lighter, and I going to run around starting fires, or start smoking because it's in my possession? I bet a lot of those people at those Tea Party events brought their genitalia, but I didn't see anybody fucking...but "THEY HAD THEIR COCKS SOMEPLACE OMFG..." so how could someone not take a dicking?

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Because taking out your dick is indecent exposure, while having a visible gun isn't illegal (for some reason).

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Cell phones aren't dangerous weapons, for starters. Loaded guns aren't conversation pieces and people don't buy them or carry them around in public for their metaphorical value (EDIT: I take this back, considering that they can be used as a metaphor for violence, but I don't think this is what you're trying to imply), sort of like how I don't carry around my cell phone above my head to celebrate how the world has become interconnected.

If you saw a man with a loaded gun around his shoulder walking towards a crowd with you in it, the first thought in your mind won't be "Hey, he's celebrating his rights under the Constitution, maybe he'll talk to us about personal freedoms and the second amendment.

EDIT:
I think Steven Colbert put it best in his latest episode:

RETIRED.
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biohazard! people are pretty health phobic these days

The reason Jubber mentioned the gun-toting individuals celebrating their constitutional rights is because the article you linked said the individuals who were carrying were celebrating theirs. If you were at a Tech Expo then you would see people holding their cell phones over their heads talking about how much they love them and whatever else.

I've seen plenty of people open-carry in my state. I don't immediately think they're going to approach me and start talking about about their constitutional rights... but I don't think they're going to open fire on me, either. Like Jubber said, there is a clear difference of carrying a weapon and brandishing a weapon. And while we may all agree cell phones are relatively harmless, so are trash bags, pens, pencils, chairs, utility knives and vehicles. Under normal circumstances you don't fear a person carrying or using any of those items around you... but if a person came at you with a utility knife, pen, chair or even a vehicle in a threatening manner then you'd certainly feel a different response. My point is that the gun (and any other item that could be lethally used) shouldn't be threatening until it's used in a threatening manner.

Edit: Mayo, If you're ever in Virginia, hit me up. We'll go to the gun range and I'll show you how to use guns properly so you can hopefully get over your fear of them. The range I go to has some fun guns we can rent like Uzi's and shit... but no Assault Rifles. We'd have to go on base to get those, I think.

Why an uzi is ever acceptable for civilian use is beyond me.

Granted I don't think guns in general are acceptable for civilian use, but an uzi literally exists only to kill dozens of unarmored people.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Squirrel hunting.

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Automatic weapons of any kind are illegal, as far as i know. I think single shot semi-auto is the best you can do.

Yea, I believe you have to get a special license for machine guns and other automatic weapons. Think it's the NFA that requires it? Anyways, Uzi's are fun to shoot but you really need a lot of control otherwise you'll never hit your target because a quick trigger pull will unload 30 rounds with very little accuracy. The recoil is a bitch and you'll spray rounds all over the place. I think Uzi's are an easy 'quick damage' weapon, perfect for thugs and drive by shootings... but then again, a Glock with extended magazines can be just as lethal (in terms of rapid fire, not accuracy) with a skilled shooter who knows how to bump fire.

Most of this, plus, the point wasn't that cell phones are dangerous, and if you think it was, you're dumb. The point is, many items that we take for granted as 'normal' can also be inappropriately used, but I don't hear anyone calling for a ban on any of those items. If this shooter had instead come into the crowd and beaten the Congresswoman and other attendees about the head and neck with a hammer, no one would be blaming the hammer. There wouldn't be calls for background checks and and end to the MLB if he'd used a baseball bat. I could walk into Wal*Mart today and buy all sorts of knives and machetes, no problem. The point is that you're assigning some sort of magical voodoo power to guns that they don't possess.

What is really funny is that while today it is considered "odd" (at least by some) to carry a firearm, a little over a hundred years ago it was "odd" not to do so.

Why do you care if your neighbor(s) own guns, or even carry them around, if they aren't misusing them? Despite this whack-job, in states that require any sort of license or permit for ownership or concealed carry, there has been no incidence of misuse or abuse on the part of those people who are licensed/permitted. There is no right that comes without some sort of responsibility, and I think that the behavior of licensed/permitted individuals provides at least anecdotal evidence that law-abiding members of society can be trusted to handle that responsibility.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

You generally use a small-ish shotgun (preferably a .410, but 20 gauge is pretty common) with bird shot for squirrels and rabbits.

A lot of guns that you would consider military weapons are manufactured for civilian use. The manufacturer merely suppresses the automatic firing capabilities. My roommate has an AK-47 knock-off that is only semi-auto, and it's a great gun. Somehow, all the manufacturing defects in the original Russian design actually turned out to make a great weapon. The way the internal structures are design reduces the risk of jamming, and they've been shown to work even when they get full of sand and gunk.

The average idiot would probably be more dangerous with a semi-automatic weapon than something fully automatic, since the kick from repeated firing tends throw the users aim up (perhaps you're familiar with the phrase "shoot high, aim low"). Most morons would pull the trigger and hold it down instead of firing in controlled bursts. That sort of firing would also rapidly deplete their ammunition.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

I'm relieved to hear that the best way to deal with someone who has an automatic weapon is to hope he's never fired a test shot and that his terrible aim will cause the collateral damage to kill everyone but me.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Training should be required before you're allowed to own a gun. I remember my first shot (in Basic Training, too), and it was fucking comedy gold.

You could write an equation to represent the physics of the kickback to figure out how much counter-force you need to use. The problem is, how do you contract your muscles for a precise force of X?

You just have to practice a little to get used to it, then it becomes an extension of your limbs.

You should be. So long as I walk away without any new holes in me, I'm satisfied.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

i've owned and (for the most part) carried a gun since i was like 15. stop hating.