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I'm convinced Aestu learned the word specious this past week and he's been trying his hardest to drop it in nearly every post.

I guess it's better than all the, "Let me sound smarter by using latin" phrases.

It appears that I was wrong on psychology, it's a social science, and it doesn't even deal with the classification of mental illnesses. I don't care to comment on it's usefulness.

If you disagree that psychiatry is medicine, bring it up to the medical community. I'm sure they'll listen!

The symptoms are the effect. Symptoms are signs of change in normal function or sensation. X Disorder, is just a term given to the set of symptoms that occurs similarly (and statistically) across people. The effect has a cause. They don't yet fully understand the causes of all disorders, but enough that they are recognized as conditions that may cause distress to the patient.

You don't have to discover the cause of depression before you can treat it, because the phenomena is right under the doctor's eyes.

I'm just going to stop. Psychiatry is a widely accepted field of medicine. In fact, to support your claim that mental disorders do not exist, you would have to come up with evidence that every human brain, a very complex organic system, is identical and works the exact same way - a healthy, normal way. Go. There's nothing irrational or immoral going on, move along.



I miswrote that but that's not the matter -- in science when a finding is wrong, there is no debate.

Given you're dealing with people, how do you isolate externalities such as social bias when making a diagnosis?

Is a disorder a subset of things that cause distress or vice versa? Or neither? How do you make that distinction?



So anyone who is depressed is sick? How do you differentiate being depressed because your dog got run over by a car, depressed because you don't like your life because it's not fulfilling, and depressed because you're leaking chemical messengers? What's the scientific basis for that distinction?



But many wrong ideas were widely accepted, no? Again I refer you to the examples of phrenology and the theory of humors. So isn't using the argument that something is "widely accepted" specious?



Ah-ha.

For psychiatry to be valid, this would have to be true. After all, how can you do scientific research with no constants? Science is based on the fundamental assumption that the laws of observable phenomena remain constant.



But how do you know what's wrong? Debate. Many unpopular views have become widely accepted.

From my own education, go read about Michael Ventris or Heinrich Schliemann.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

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Every human body is different. Thats why "side effects MAY include" not "side effects WILL BE.."

But no thats ok, medicine for the body is real, medicine for the mind is a forgery.

I'm done with the psychiatry dismissal crap. You would be more effective taking those questions to a health professional for answers, I'm not one.



We were speaking in terms on scientific discoveries?

Ok, let's say false instead. Stephen Hawking could publish 1/4 v^2 - GM/r, and it would give a false value for escape velocity. Stephen Hawking wouldn't bitch about it.

If a theory is unpopular, it doesn't matter. They keep the evidence coming in, they keep replacing some assumptions or predictions with evidence, and eventually while it's still called a theory, you can technically call it a law, but evolution and the theory of evolution are still very unpopular.

Haven't they been completely wrong before, and the laymen correct, in the examples I cited?



You didn't answer the question you are replying to and did not even attempt to answer any of the others.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Just because quicksilver is a false remedy doesn't mean all remedies are false. Then again, there was never any scientific basis for it.

You mentioned trepanning earlier. I've taken anthro classes in which the practice is discussed. Thing is, trepanning wasn't always superstition, it was often actually a very useful surgery that is still in use today. Head injuries were common in ancient times, and the surgery was very good at doing what it was designed to do, which was relieve cranial pressure due to head injury.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Yeah aestu, but they weren't doing it to relieve pressure on the brain due to concussion or other head injury, they were doing it to "let the demons out."

I'm fairly certain there was no scientific basis for that, like your quicksilver.

You furry bastard.

For someone with no faith in laymen (which is a sentiment I often share), you certainly are putting them on a pedestal in this thread.

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O lord, we watched a video on that in one of my classes, weird stuff.

Because I no longer wish to debate with a pseudo-intellectual with admirable googling skills who comes up to conclusions based on his belief that absence of evidence is evidence of absence, and that is absolute. We can observe your argument going from basic, senseless claims (P.S. Define "good parenting" scientifically?!) to scientific terms that you googled. Humors? Really? First step: educate yourself on neurons in the brain and the neurotransmitters that relay information between them. http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/i/i_01/ ... m_ana.html

You can't spew evidence of absence when you observe a phenomenon. You could spew that black holes don't exist all day with your reasoning. You could ask questions all day.

All it proves is that you are illiterate in the subject you're trying to debate, and you have no imagination so your reasoning stops at "no evidence of how, phenomenon does not exist" instead of thoughts as to why they happen, seeking out knowledge we've acquired that explains aspects of the phenomenon, adding up the knowledge, and imagining the concept in a way that makes you understand it. It's the definition of scientific illiteracy, literacy doesn't only mean how many scientific facts you can recite from memory.

I'm not coming back to this thread. I'm not a neuroscientist or a physician, I can't educate you on the subject. Seeking out your education is your responsibility.

I still have no idea how Modern Psychology could arguably be related to a Shaman. Sure, we've heard Jesus jokes as a Shaman and all, but I just don't get any of this. I'm going back to the fridge.

I'm not denying the existence or functionality of neurons. I'm denying the scientific basis for clinical practice.

When I have I used Google in this thread, at all? Everything I've referenced has been from primary sources I've read cover-to-cover.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Yes there was and it's exactly the same reason it's still done today.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.