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 Post subject: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:49 am  
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I know there are good cops out there, I meet them occasionally. BUT- Do we have to keep encouraging power hungry pigs with bad laws that prohibit us from even growing hemp? This was a "drug" raid, a man was holding a golf club, was shot down and then commanded: "GET ON THE GROUND".

This is a sadly becoming a daily event in "the land of the free". Can we plz start rejecting nanny statism and stupidity.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:12 am  
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Kill count:

Weed sold at that house - 0
Officers raiding that house - 1


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:24 am  
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Don't brandish a weapon when confronted by police officers.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:27 am  
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Usdk wrote:
Don't brandish a weapon when confronted by police officers.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:27 am  
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Shooting an outnumbered and probably panicked man because he's wielding a golf club is a cowardly act.

It has nothing to do with protocol or self-defense or risk mitigation. It is a cowardly and brazen abuse of power, and claims to the contrary are cynical rationalizations.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:32 am  
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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:20 am  
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Wow, there is ZERO reason for any shots to have been fired in that situation. That guy probably shit his pants when he heard screaming and grabbed the first thing when the door was being busted down. Whoever fired their weapon is in for a load of shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
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3 shots fired as soon as they rounded the corner. That is terrible. The man obviously had no idea they were police.

Don't brandish a weapon when confronted by police officers? Are you KIDDING ME.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:46 am  
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Usdk wrote:
Don't brandish a weapon when confronted by police officers.


So what you meant to say is.....Don't protect yourself when woken up in a panic by 6 men screaming/kicking your door down in case they are cops. Also a golf club, seriously? That does not justify being shot. He was clearly standing his ground not charging the cops, more like a panicked cop saw him and shot. Why not mace? Or those taser's they are so fond of using?

You can sit behind your "He shouldn't have brandished a weapon" but situations reversed what would you have done?


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:31 am  
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Not sure how anyone could see that clip and not say it was murder. They didn't even go for a wounding shot...they straight up triple-tapped him.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:38 am  
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1) The cops identified themselves and also yelled search warrant.

2) The man came running around the corner with a golf club pulled back as if he was ready to swing. He may have been scared because people were busting into his house but that also means he had an intent to use that as a weapon after the police identified themselves.

3) The cop identified that the man had a weapon and was within close range. Since the man was already in motion he could've continued moving forward, closing the gap and getting within striking distance within a second.

4) People die from getting hit with golf clubs and baseball bats. What makes you guys think they're not considered lethal weapons? The person that was killed thought it would be a lethal weapon otherwise he wouldn't have grabbed it in defense.

Sure, in hindsight, it could've been handled better on BOTH sides of the gun, but I agree that the cop was justified in his actions.
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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:39 am  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
1) The cops identified themselves and also yelled search warrant.

2) The man came running around the corner with a golf club pulled back as if he was ready to swing. He may have been scared because people were busting into his house but that also means he had an intent to use that as a weapon.

3) The cop identified that the man had a weapon and was within close range. Since the man was already in motion he could've continued moving forward, closing the gap and getting within striking distance within a second.

4) People die from getting hit with golf clubs and baseball bats. What makes you guys think they're not considered lethal weapons? The person that was killed thought it would be a lethal weapon otherwise he wouldn't have grabbed it in defense.

Sure, in hindsight, it could've been handled better on BOTH sides of the gun, but I agree that the cop was justified in his actions.


If you're as quick with a gun as you claim to be, you'd have been woken up, shot a cop, and today you'd be dead or worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:46 am  
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Azelma wrote:
Not sure how anyone could see that clip and not say it was murder. They didn't even go for a wounding shot...they straight up triple-tapped him.


I could see that clip and say it wasn't murder. There are numerous issues that aren't addressed in the video alone. What was the reason they were doing the raid? It may have been just a drug charge, but a number of very violent and dangerous criminals have fallen from otherwise petty crimes. He may be known to be armed at all times, may have previously fired at officers or others, may be known to possess assault rifles. There may be a lot of things pointing to a raid going very badly, and the officers might be primed to shoot a bit more quickly than if the extra concerns weren't present. A split second to make a decision, when there is a considerable chance this person will be heavily armed and willing to fire, isn't a long time, and the wrong decision doesn't always equal murder.

When I read into what happened and the circumstances, it certainly wasn't justifiable, and not only should the officer be put on permanent desk duty, his commanding officer should be fired. I don't think charging the shooting officer with murder would really solve the problem.

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Eturnalshift wrote:
1) The cops identified themselves and also yelled search warrant.

2) The man came running around the corner with a golf club pulled back as if he was ready to swing. He may have been scared because people were busting into his house but that also means he had an intent to use that as a weapon after the police identified themselves.

3) The cop identified that the man had a weapon and was within close range. Since the man was already in motion he could've continued moving forward, closing the gap and getting within striking distance within a second.

4) People die from getting hit with golf clubs and baseball bats. What makes you guys think they're not considered lethal weapons? The person that was killed thought it would be a lethal weapon otherwise he wouldn't have grabbed it in defense.

Sure, in hindsight, it could've been handled better on BOTH sides of the gun, but I agree that the cop was justified in his actions.


1. Raids are conducted at night to take people by surprise. If I were woken up by yelling I wouldn't be able to make out what was just being yelled, but I would snap to pretty quickly when someone kicks down my door. Not giving the suspect even the chance to put down the golf club, the officer was entirely in the wrong.

2. Again, knocking down the door, might not catch the yelling before hand, trying to defend himself.

3. The officer specifically stated that he realized the man was not making a motion towards him (that statement alone will likely win the civil case for the man's family). The man came to the hallway and stopped.

4. People with Kevlar armor and military grade helmets don't die from being hit with a golf club. Cops don't shoot everyone just because they have a weapon, specially when the are not in immediate danger from said weapon.


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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:02 am  
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Aestu wrote:
If you're as quick with a gun as you claim to be, you'd have been woken up, shot a cop, and today you'd be dead or worse.

What's worse than being killed?

Anyways, as a responsible gun owner I have guidelines I follow.

1) Always treat the weapon as if it was loaded.

2) Don't let the gun point at anything/anyone I'm not willing to kill. (This means I need to identify my target before pointing my weapon. This keeps family members and police raids from getting shot.)

3) Don't touch the trigger until I've sighted the target. (This is another chance to identify the threat of the target.)

You also have to consider the chance of over-penetration and what collateral damage my occur, like if a round were to go through an exterior wall, a neighbors window and then into their head... but that's a chance you have to take when it comes to protecting yourself.

In this situation, I'd think the cops coming in and yelling, "Police" and "Search Warrant" would be a good indication for me to not run out guns-a-blazing.
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 Post subject: Re: Disturbing vid of cops killing...nsfw
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:40 am  
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