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 Post subject: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:01 pm  
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Aestu,

I would like to open this by stating that I bear no ill-will towards you. In fact, in an inscrutable kind of way, I actually like you. You are unique, you have interesting ideas and are very outspoken. Additionally, I do think you are intelligent in many ways (articulate, logical, well-read, etc.). However, I feel that I should inform you that, despite these positive qualities which contribute to this forum, your negative qualities I think are doing more harm than good to yourself, and the community as a whole - and you would do well to re-examine how you interact with others on FUBU.

Nobody is perfect - I myself have many flaws which many on this forum are well aware of (the tendency to let my emotions cloud reason and the propensity to fall for girls on public transit, to name a few). I am no doctor, but it seems that you may suffer from a form of Asperger syndrome ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome ), or some other issue that has often caused you to have difficulty in relationships. You yourself have mentioned that you are incapable of making close friends, but you seem to have made a few positive acquaintances online - some of whom browse these very forums - so clearly you are not utterly helpless in this regard.

It seems as though, then, that the internet has made it more possible for you to "connect" with people. Yet, I cannot help but feel that there are still difficulties you may have. Take, for example, your rant in this thread ( viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9680&start=15 ) against me, calling me stupid, imploring me to lay down under the wheel of a truck (bus would have been more ironic), and so on. I'm not offended by your personal attacks, you clearly just didn't "get" that I was joking, which is perhaps a symptom of Aspergers (failure to recognize social cues). Please understand going forward, I have troll blood, so I will randomly post things like that in many different threads - as I'm sure others could attest to.

The issue at hand, I think, is that you sometimes are too quick to "defend" yourself, and your way of defending yourself seems to be to go on the offensive. While this may be an effective tactic in debates, it is something that I think you use too often when no one is debating you, or when you perceive that you are under personal attack from someone in the midst of a debate. I understand you like spirited debate, and that you seem to embrace the role of the villain in many threads. Indeed, poking the beehive can lead to a much more interesting discussion. With this in mind, I don't ask that you completely stop this, or stop being yourself, because it is part of what makes you Aestu, what makes your posts entertaining at times, and what makes this board more interesting overall.

What I ask of you is that you try to think more clearly about what others might mean when they say a certain thing. Context, I believe, is something you could do better with understanding. Additionally, when you ARE in a disagreement with someone, have you ever considered a more affable debate style? What I mean is, phrases like "I see your point, but I think...." "Yes that part is true, however I believe..." rather than a simple attack style that sometimes degenerates to "YOU ARE STUPID." The fact is, no one responds well to this, and more people seem to simply tire of it. This leads to them shutting you off, which destroys the hope for positive discussion completely (and serves to make this forum more boring). If everyone continues to shut you out, then who will be left to discuss things with and learn from?

The subsequent ignore you received from Dvergar served only to further highlight this unfortunate symptom of your combative demeanor. You may say that people ignoring you are merely covering their ears and ignoring reason, but I think it's more akin to you rubbing them the wrong way one too many times. Mayo has warned you too, and claims he has received complaints from other FUBUers about you, all singing the same familiar tune. I think it's very possible to sort all this out if you can still be your intelligent, opinionated, self...while also attempting to be just a little less brash.

It is my sincere hope that you read my words and digest them fully before responding (if you choose to do so). Again, I don't mean to be insulting, and don't mean to antagonize you in any way. I feel it is in the best interests of FUBU that you continue posting, but attempt to be more amiable (something I know you are capable of, since I have observed it) while doing so, lest FUBU become a much duller and less interesting place without the one they call "Aestu."

Sincerely,
Azelma



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TL;DR: I would like Aestu to continue to debate and be himself, but to not be quite so abrasive and quick to jump to conclusions and attack people.


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:51 pm  
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Edit: The following image is an approximated summary of this thread and where it's going.

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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:52 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
This thread was a good idea and will likely be well received.


I sense sarcasm - perhaps you are right.


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 Post subject: Re: @France
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:55 pm  
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Pussy.


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 Post subject: Re: @France
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:57 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Battletard wrote:
This thread was a good idea and will likely be well received.


I sense sarcasm - perhaps you are right.


Keep it up by all means, lol. Don't let me stop you. It may do some good..it's honestly hard to say. I don't think it'll magically evolve the way we'd all like it to, but it may get gears turning and thoughts mulled over.


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 Post subject: Re: @France
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:59 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Azelma wrote:
Battletard wrote:
This thread was a good idea and will likely be well received.


I sense sarcasm - perhaps you are right.


Keep it up by all means, lol. Don't let me stop you. It may do some good..it's honestly hard to say. I don't think it'll magically evolve the way we'd all like it to, but it may get gears turning and thoughts mulled over.


Hmm, you had me all mixed up as to whether or not a public forum is the best place for such a message. I guess the cat is already out of the bag anyway -- I really hope it is well received, as I mean every word of it.


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 Post subject: Re: @France
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:05 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Azelma wrote:
Battletard wrote:
This thread was a good idea and will likely be well received.


I sense sarcasm - perhaps you are right.


Keep it up by all means, lol. Don't let me stop you. It may do some good..it's honestly hard to say. I don't think it'll magically evolve the way we'd all like it to, but it may get gears turning and thoughts mulled over.


I read what you wrote Azelma. I used to agree with you, but got pushed too far. How do you deal with someone like that? You ignore them like the child they are. A thread like this is not helpful as it feeds their unhealthy need for attention. You have a good heart. A bit emo at times, but it is good. =)

ETA: I see it is back now ;)


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:38 pm  
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You already sent me this letter privately and I had already replied when you chose to post it publicly.

My initial response was sufficient.

If you'd ever insulted me at any point, you certainly did by not being content with the response you received but reposting the same private letter publicly hoping to get a different answer.

Callysta wrote:
I read what you wrote Azelma. I used to agree with you, but got pushed too far. How do you deal with someone like that? You ignore them like the child they are. A thread like this is not helpful as it feeds their unhealthy need for attention. You have a good heart. A bit emo at times, but it is good. =)

ETA: I see it is back now ;)


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:56 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
You already sent me this letter privately and I had already replied when you chose to post it publicly.

My initial response was sufficient.

If you'd ever insulted me at any point, you certainly did by not being content with the response you received but reposting the same private letter publicly hoping to get a different answer.


Nah, you have it backwards. I posted it publicly, then battletard posted his comment, so I second guessed and removed it. Then I PM'd you the letter. Then re-posted it publicly after re-thinking. Also, USDK calling me a pussy made me feel bad about myself. lol, basically my faults were on bright display in those series of events haha.

Check the time stamps.

In any case, this was an exercise in futility anyway, I see that clearly now.

Mayo, feel free to nuke this abomination of a thread.

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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:03 pm  
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I called you a pussy because you took it down.

Since you reposted it I could take down me calling you a pussy, but then i would have to call myself a pussy for taking THAT down, and thats just a road i'm not going to go down.


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:09 pm  
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I don't think there's anything wrong with attempting open dialog.


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:11 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
I called you a pussy because you took it down


lmao I know...it helped contribute to me putting it back up. If I could do it over again, I would have just sent it as a PM in the first place - though Aestu's response in the PM I did send was just as futile. Really then, if I could do it over again, I would save myself the time and never have written it.

I tried to reason with a rock. The rock won.


Yuratuhl wrote:
I don't think there's anything wrong with attempting open dialog.


Yeah, but I should have considered the subject of the letter more carefully.

Usdk wrote:
Since you reposted it I could take down me calling you a pussy, but then i would have to call myself a pussy for taking THAT down, and thats just a road i'm not going to go down.


Haha, I love you. Never change.


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:17 pm  
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I just read the other thread and see the context, as well.


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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:42 pm  
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come on guys, group hug.
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 Post subject: Re: @Aestu - An open letter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:49 pm  
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Monotheist wrote:
come on guys, group hug.


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