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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:24 pm  
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So what is someone who disagrees with the prevailing view(s) of Fox calling for civility from people he agrees with in regards to people who agree with Fox's viewpoint(s) shilling, exactly?

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:33 pm  
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Trying to replenish Fox's near-zero credibility amongst anyone who isn't far far right.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:35 pm  
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Yeah, because multi-million(billion?)aire rap mogul Russell Simmons has a huge stake in propping up Fox.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:54 pm  
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Connections are everything in the media world. That is why mass media is staid.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:43 pm  
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There are umpteen media organizations in the universe outside of Fox to which Simmons doesn't have a philosophical opposition, and I'm sure they'd all be incredibly happy to have him stop by and talk about things and/or try to promote/sell stuff.

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So now we have two reasons why your argument is invalid.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:48 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
There are umpteen media organizations in the universe outside of Fox to which Simmons doesn't have a philosophical opposition, and I'm sure they'd all be incredibly happy to have him stop by and talk about things and/or try to promote/sell stuff.

This is a picture of Steve Martin ironing a cat:

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So now we have two reasons why your argument is invalid.

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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:58 am  
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Yeah, if you'll re-read what I wrote...I didn't say anything about MSNBC, or any of the other news networks to try to claim that they are some beacon of equality. All news networks could do better in presenting both sides of the story.

So last night the wife and I settled down to watch a bit of TV after dinner. We couldn't settle on anything so she said, "Fine, since you can't make up your mind we're watching Hannity." I don't care for Hannity very much because his program has been on repeat since the election... and it's a carbon-copy of his radio program (which I will catch from time to time on my way home from work).

I started watching around 9:10p and I stopped around 9:35p. During that time, Hannity interviewed Speaker Bohener and Hannity was asking him about the concessions made to get a continuing resolution, and who was responsible for constantly lowering the 'cut' amount. Hannity also asked the Speaker about Libya.

After that segment, Hannity started talking about Michelle Bachman and how the media was attacking her a day after she announced her presidential run because she was a conservative woman and that no other politicians (especially women) take a beating like the conservative women do. During this segment, he had two guests; one woman was a Fox News contributor and the other woman was a Democratic strategist. They had a pretty heated discussion where all three parties stated their opinion. Hannity made it clear that he didn't support the President when he said (and I'm paraphrasing here), "One of my biggest regrets was the Stop Hillary Express because I would love to have her as President over Obama anyday." That should be indication enough of his bias as a commentator, although, he did say he would've taken a democrat over a democrat. I'd say all three had equal time to voice their opinions and say their parts. The democratic strategist denounced people treating her [bachman] wrongly because she's a woman and said Bachman needs to learn more facts to have less gaffes. She also likened the smear campaign against Bachman to the things said about Hillary (which everyone noted that Hannity had no part). Hannity and the Fox News contributor continued saying that it was still an unequal treatment and then said if we're going to be critical of gaffe's (like the media has been of Bachman) then they should've been critical of Biden and Obama's gaffes, but since they're neither Conservative or women, the media had no real part in reporting it.

The next segment was still on Michelle Bachman and Hannity had two more guests; some talk radio host (who was going after Obama) and another Democratic strategist. Obama started the discussion talking with the radio host. I went in the other room to fool around with my router (since we had a big storm and the internet has been down). When I came back, Hannity was talking to the strategist. I'm not sure what was said during their discussion.

As I was cleaning up for bed, I heard that Hannity was talking to Greta about something.

In that short time watching the show, Hannity had clearly displayed his bias (by saying he didn't support the president's policies, he would've rather had Hillary as President, that Obama's record is largely a failing one, etc.) and his discussions about Bachman were with both democrats and republicans.

What did Maddow do? I wasn't watching...
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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:01 am  
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You completely proved my point.

This person's goal is to cry foul, "No one takes a beating like...ME! So support my campaign and agree with what I say!"

That is the MOTIVE. That is why this person is talking. Don't give me this altruism bullshit.

"Hilary? Oh, Hilary? Well, that doesn't count."

This whole charade of civility is intended to make you sympathize with the speaker. It is intended to manipulate you. And it is succeeding.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:08 am  
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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:08 am  
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Aestu wrote:
This person's goal is to cry foul, "No one takes a beating like...ME! So support my campaign and agree with what I say!"

That is the MOTIVE. That is why this person is talking. Don't give me this altruism bullshit.

"Hilary? Oh, Hilary? Well, that doesn't count."

This whole charade of civility is intended to make you sympathize with the speaker. It is intended to manipulate you. And it is succeeding.

1) Of course his goal was to cry foul -- Goal met! Hannity said he feels Bachman wasn't treated fairly (and the same could be said about Palin and Rice) because of her gender and political affiliations, stating most news organizations report unequally (in terms of frequency and content, like gaffes instead of issues). Not sure why you would think that Hannity's statement is somehow reflecting on him taking a beating.

2) No one said Hillary didn't count. They all agreed it was wrong what happened to her, too, and they also agreed that Hannity didn't play much role in personal attacks. What was said is Hillary didn't receive the harsh treatment they feel Palin and Bachman are receiving.

3) They weren't sitting around and bullshitting with each other. The Fox News woman looked like she wanted to kill the democratic strategist and the strategist was often offended by the Fox News woman. It was clear they did not agree on much.

Then again, you didn't watch the show - glad you're an expert on something you didn't see, mirite?
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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:31 am  
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I don't need to have seen it. I stuck to the facts you related.

They DID say that Hilary "doesn't count". They said that her experiences should not be counted against the assertion that NO ONE gets it like these people do. Their bullshit excuse why is arbitrary. The bottom line is, the obvious foil to their contention should not be counted.

Palin and Rice brought ridicule upon themselves - Palin for being paranoid, ignorant and a criminal, Rice for being a crony. Gender had nothing to do with it; their actions brought them disrepute.

Are you really going to argue that Palin got more flak than Bill Clinton or Rush Limbaugh or that Rice got more flak than Powell or Petraeus? Hilary, on the other hand, got more flak than either - without even holding office or getting involved in anything controversial. What's really telling is that she got so much MORE flak than Pelosi, someone who invites disdain from everyone for being the American Merkel. People feared and hated Hilary because she was tough and intelligent and didn't have obvious scandals or faults. No different than when Gore was damned as "boring" because he offered no other angle of attack.

There's always pseudopathos at a show trial. That is why everyone who is not far-right wing disdains their progra- because that's what it is, a SHOW, of endless, eye-rolling pseudopathos - and that is the point of the blog: to restore that credibility and expand their audience. The fruits of that effort - legitimacy amongst the silent, moderate majority in this country - by the way, are what Palin doesn't have.

Or are you going to tell me it's merely a coincidence that at the end of the day, you're sympathetic to the programme's agenda?


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:34 am  
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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:20 pm  
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JOHN WAYNE WASN'T FROM WATERLOO

HIS PARENTS MOVED OUT OF THERE BEFORE HE WAS BORN

CLEARLY NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:33 pm  
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Weena wrote:
JOHN WAYNE WASN'T FROM WATERLOO

HIS PARENTS MOVED OUT OF THERE BEFORE HE WAS BORN

CLEARLY NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT


This gaffe was dumb but a non-issue.

Asserting (and defending the position) that eliminating minimum wage would eliminate unemployment is a different matter.


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 Post subject: Re: The Right Attitude
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:52 pm  
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Conservatives are (usually) easily swayed by people who agree with their opinions. Liberals usually have a more open mind, so it really doesn't matter what Maddow said on her show - no educated liberal will take her extreme stance seriously.


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