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Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Sounds like a valid point honestly.

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There is a vast difference between intelligence and wisdom. You may posses one but you certainly do not posses the other.

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This is a case of "splitting the difference" and insisting every strength be matched with a weakness no matter to satisfy some people's smallness, regardless of how irrational those comparisons are.

Intelligence is the ability to understand and conceive the abstract.
Wisdom is the ability to understand the nature of things and guide them to desired outcomes.

My intelligence is manifest. But you've seen I also have wisdom. I showed wisdom in my shrewd analysis of statements and motivations during the nuclear crisis. I've also demonstrated abundant wisdom in my grasp of historical events and persons - beyond the mere regurgitation of facts - in my classical studies, so much so that I've received multiple kudos from individuals with far more seniority, and my wisdom has been solicited on multiple occasions.

In the immediate here-and-now, the setting known to us all, I've demonstrated wisdom in my shrewd appraisal of others' character and intentions. As some of us don't like to remember, I understood clearly what sort of people Isamoo and Kamguh and Dagr and Eyece were long before their actions and fate made it eminently apparent. I saw clearly what would happen to the NQR troupe long before it came to pass; I also foresaw what would happen with Tempest/Dissension and the interplay of the individual members, and I had the wisdom, unlike a lot of people, to not be trolled by the "return to BH" thing a while back.

Besides various drama, I have the wisdom about the human character to both write compelling stories, and to unravel the stories written by others. Anyone who has run pugs with me knows I am a shrewd judge of character, and that wisdom has functional applications that make its reality also manifest.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

That nuclear crisis? I don't remember you being a stellar player in that discussion; only making a bunch of assumptions, accusations and saying you knew what was going on more than the people on the ground did. You're no nuclear scientist. You're not an expert in disaster management. You just tried to play monday-morning quarterback.

Also, you seemingly always miss the mark when judging other people because those you judge tell you you're wrong. Of course, you insist you know people better than they know themselves.

I guess the moral of the story is that we shouldn't confuse intelligence and wisdom with ignorance, arrogance or outright stupidity.

This is all well and good, but can you talk about your flaws Aestu? All the bridges you've burned? All your failed attempts at interpersonal relationships IRL. For someone with so much wisdom and intelligence, it's astonishing that you are unable to critique yourself at all.

You give yourself far too much credit, Aestu, without ever being open to criticism. I don't think you are as shrewd a judge as you claim to be. And I think your issues with personal communication are very apparent.

I like to think of when I joined DT. I had a few pleasant vent conversations with you and Zaryi for my first couple days in guild. One day I got on vent with you and another person who I cannot remember the name of..I was interested in being more social within DT and heck, just getting to know you better (yes I know, very silly..).

My vent had an echo which was an issue within my settings and something I was unaware of until you raged. You, however, insisted that I was lying and not using a headset. You refused to believe me and simply logged off in a fit of rage because the echo was annoying you. I actually made a forum post about it, with a picture of myself wearing the headset to prove that yes...I was using a headset. Look at this example ---> You REFUSED to accept that it could have been a vent issue and CONVINCED yourself that I was just a dolt using a mic and speakers. I realized it was all pointless and ended up leaving guild since it was clear that you aren't the kind of person who can maintain any sort of friendship for a long period of time.

So, here's an instance where a kind person who has forged many, many friendships and positive relationships with people from all kinds of backgrounds could not forge such a thing with you. I realized it was pointless, and it was kind of saddening. Think of what happens whenever anyone attempts to get close to you.

Do you not see how this is a failing on your part?

Now I know what you will say: "I didn't want to be friends with you anyway." or "Whatever, it pissed me off and I didn't care to be annoyed." and that's fine...but your flaws are very apparent and you refuse to even acknowledge them. Think about all the things Tehra says about you. He tried to help you, and you burned bridges there too.


I just can't take you seriously Aestu because you have convinced yourself that everyone else is wrong and only you are right. If you don't have any close friends IRL, it's a failing of society, not your personal failure. If you have a poor relationship with your parents it's only a failing on their part, and not something that you contributed to.

You've been told this in many different ways by many different people yet you refuse to even recognize it and just repeat your mantra of "I'm intelligent, I have wisdom, I'm awesome."

No matter how much "smarts" you may possess...this failure to recognize areas where you are weak makes you dumber than anyone else on this forum.

Azelma you've always been a terrible worthless poster and player just don't type thanks.

Well this feedback is anything but constructive This is a prime example my past mistakes coming back to bite me.

Anyway, I admit I am terrible at WoW, and I've mentioned this on many occasions. This is not news.

HOWEVER, mazeltov, I wouldn't say I'm a worthless poster...I'd say my posting abilities fall between average and below-average on the Jubbergun Evaluation Widget.

Who, in your professional opinion, would be a great poster, though?



P.S. See Aestu, self criticism!

i rather enjoyed that post actually

Your characterization of both that interaction and my perception of it is accurate.

However, you base your views on a faulty premise - that merely because I am not in a state of self-doubt and internal paralysis because of my flaws, I therefore am blind to them. The fact is, I do not perceive the flaws you describe as fatal. I do not allow knowledge of my weaknesses to prevent me from recognizing and capitalizing on my greater strengths.

Life is not a game of DnD where everyone gets the same number of points to distribute and the same number of tag skills. Life is not fair, and unlike DnD, it's not balanced, either.

You base your opinion on another faulty premise: that "friendship" means the same thing to you that it does to me. Your view on friendship is built around the idea that more is better and that it is better to make a friend than not. While that may be true in purely Machiavellian terms, that is not the way I prefer to live my life. I do not believe that to make a friend is automatically a good thing nor that more friends are better. Quite the contrary, I am suspicious of people with many friends because I believe that tolerance is the virtue of a man without principles, and that the only friendship worth having is that of a man who is cautious in extending it.

Your belief that merely because I do not share your values I am somehow flawed is small-minded - and wrong.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Your basic problem is you have no center of gravity.

You split the difference, you go with the flow, you believe that any position no matter how eminently absurd has something to it, and you define your entire self and all that you are by your connections to the world around you.



Mazel is most prescient in bringing up your game skills because they're quite relevant in this context. With your level of basic intelligence, your game skills would be better if you had a certain center of gravity to do more than be passively driven by forces around you - to strive to be more than you are.

A "great poster" has a center of gravity - he may or may not be moved by the world around him, and when he is moved, his movement is more than the net total of the influences acting on him. So when he posts, he expresses his own thoughts. He is a portrait, not a mirror.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I don't believe you should be in a state of self-doubt, and never implied such. Self-criticism and self-doubt are two very different things. I consider self-criticism to be a way of improving yourself. If I didn't criticize myself after my interactions with our dear friend Mazeltov and <Twisted> and the fall-out that ensued then I wouldn't be who I am today (seriously). It was part of my growth. I feel you have never done this...or if you have...you hide it quite well.



True, we do value different things and friendship certainly means different things to both of us. I value knowing people from different backgrounds and being able to forge connections with those who may have wildly divergent viewpoints. I think it would be dull to only befriend or associate with people who view the world in the exact same way I do. I also think it's foolish to assume that my opinion is always the right opinion. There are millions of different perspectives, and I strive to understand as many of them as I can.

I value being challenged by others, and so I enjoy associating with people who will challenge me (perhaps that's what made me even attempt to socialize with you outside of these forums). I have a romantic view of society and the world in general. This might be a weakness, but I like to see the best in people. But......



This is incorrect. I most certainly have principles and have ended friendships because of these principles before in my life. One quick example:

I ended a long high school friendship in college because he cheated on his fiance (who I was also friends with) and I had knowledge of it. I then was confronted by the fiance and evaluated my principals. I knew it would end the friendship, and so I told her the truth. I ended that friendship because I despise cheaters.



This is not my belief. I believe you are flawed because you ignore your short-comings outright and prefer to focus on (and overstate) your strengths. You said it yourself...someone who recognizes or tries to improve upon their weaknesses is "in a state of self-doubt and internal paralysis". Do I come across as someone in this state to you?

Yes, capitalize on your strengths...we should all do this. However, your steadfast refusal to work to improve upon your weaknesses is your fatal flaw.

Having difficulty in relationships is not a fatal flaw. Refusing to work on your flaws, and overstating your strengths IS though. Read any Greek tragedy...

It's hubris that is your fatal flaw, Aestu. I'm sure if you lived back then you'd have at least one play written about you. It wouldn't end well.

I see what you're saying here. I am quite moderate, and quite "neutral." You know those political tests you take where it plots you on the political spectrum for your fiscal views and your social views?

I took one a few months ago and landed basically right in the middle (leaning slightly left). It was kind of hilarious. Perhaps that does make me an uninteresting poster on these forums when it comes to intense debates...but I can only be myself.

Having liquid viewpoints about a variety of issues does not mean I have no principals though, and it does not mean that I don't have a center of gravity. I most certainly do.

Perhaps in a discussion about abortion or the GOP or Sarah Palin or whatever dickshit we talk about here my principals don't shine through...but they are most definitely there.

I'll tell you the one principal that defines me:

Very little in this world is black and white (although some things clearly are). Most everything is simply shades of gray.

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