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 Post subject: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:53 pm  
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Do any of you ever the get feeling that laws against polygamy and marrying/banging teenagers together with zealous prosecution of said offenses are really based more on a "if I can't do this, neither can you" jealousy than any real morality, concern for the women and girls or disdain for the religious practices involved? "What? That guy has wives 15, 17 and 21?!? I don't have one! Aw, hell naw."

I'm not wanting to start in on any religion; we've covered that ad nauseam. And, I'm not promoting any particular lifestyle, or pedophilia, or any of that. I just get a sense that the indignation is selective.

Do morals/ethics really determine our laws, or is it our laws that keep basic human nature in check?


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:13 pm  
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Thats an interesting question, except that several women are on the prosecuting team aren't there? there's definitely plenty of them on news stations badmouthing it.

I'm not sure they want the same, or even vice-versa situations. Maybe more people than we expect are properly disgusted by this, instead of just trying to bring down someone who gets to be perverted when they don't.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
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There are quite a lot of polygamous marriages that aren't hounded, the ones they make a big deal about usually involve child wives.

I couldn't care less about multiple husbands/wives. If they can figure out a fair way to work it out legally so people aren't getting married simply for the benefits it's not a big deal. Using religion to fuck a 12 year old, I would support those people being taken out back and shot. Any kind of child molester should get the same treatment. That's not hyperbole, I fully support the murder of child molesters.

As to the "if we can't, you can't", you can argue that the law is wrong, but it is still the law and should be prosecuted. Like I said though, from what I've seen the fervor is reserved for those who would use their religion to sleep with kids.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:59 pm  
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I've always wondered why it's ok for gays to cohabitate and in some states, marry. But then most states have laws on the books against polygamy, even unofficial polygamy where people simply cohabitate. There's no great zeal to make polygamy legal. Seems a little inconsistent. Anyway that was kind of off topic.

I think there is a huge difference between consensual sex between a 16 year old and a 26 year old, and someone having sex with a 10 year old. I never liked the idea of them being prosecuted the same way. Would I advocate for legalizing it? I don't think so. There's a whole array of problems I can forsee stemming from that. But I don't think someone having consensual sex with a teenager should considered the same by law as someone who fondles 7 year olds.

As for zealous prosecution, I think that stems more from the (real or perceived) height of the crime. Someone who got shitfaced drunk, went to bed expecting their wife, for some oddball reason it's their kid sleeping in the master bed, and you see where I'm going with this... probably wouldn't be prosecuted with the same zeal as someone who's arranging a bunch of illegal marriages and boning kids.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
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I think there is a huge difference between consensual sex between a 16 year old and a 26 year old, and someone having sex with a 10 year old. I never liked the idea of them being prosecuted the same way. Would I advocate for legalizing it? I don't think so. There's a whole array of problems I can forsee stemming from that. But I don't think someone having consensual sex with a teenager should considered the same by law as someone who fondles 7 year olds.


There's an increase in the number of 18 year olds on the sex offender list (for life, you don't come off those lists) for sleeping with their 16/17 year old boy/girlfriend. This is completely the wrong way to handle the situation, and some states do have laws that allow some leeway in these cases.

There are also now 16/17 year olds being placed on the list for sexting, when they are the ones taking pictures of themselves. I don't support sexting (it's just a bad idea for a number of reasons that have nothing to do with morals), but you can't punish these kids by labeling them a sex offender for life because of it.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
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Polygamy (either direction) is outlawed mostly for ease of enforcement rather than for any ethical reasons. Child spouses don't fly for different statutory reasons.

Statutory rape laws are problematic more because they're almost ironclad, rather than because they're meritless. I have no problem protecting 12-year-olds, for example, but there should be escapes for a consenting couple that just happened to be caught in the age divide.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
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Polygamy is anti-Western and uncivilized and that's the only reason it's illegal.

Statutory rape laws are mostly the self-righteous shills you describe.

Also, "food for thought" doesn't come from leading questions, or questions containing an assertion.


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 Post subject: Re: I've been reading about the Warren Jeffs trial...
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Don't most states have a grace period for statutory rape? I know in Ohio its something like 3-5 years (ex. 16 and 19, 17 and 21, etc).


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