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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:36 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Eturnalshift wrote:
"There is Caution tape blocking a tree cutting operation and I shouldn't cross the tape. I'll just wait to take my trash out."


why?

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Servicemen put that tape up for your safety and to protect themselves. You're supposed to stay out because when you cross that tape you're a potential liability.


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So in other words, the cops did exactly what I described, which was cower in a marginally dangerous situation rather than do their job and get it under control.

They were 1:1 or better against the rioters, who were just a bunch of angry kids, not to mention they have guns, armor and radios, and they couldn't get it under control...because like all bullies, they are cowards...when the odds are (nearly) even they tuck tail between legs.

I listened to the full audio on my original link while I was eating lunch. Over the course of an hour or two, there were many reports coming in about attacks; people bleeding, people getting pulled out of cars by mobs, people jumping and hitting cars, etc. The dispatch was overwhelmed and they had almost two dozen squads to the area trying to police the situation. I doubt they're going to call in the national guard or put the city under martial law, but they did what they could do with how wide-spread the problem was. From another video, "...19 officers were in the area responding to calls, but the activity would ebb and flow. When the officers would have one area under control, disturbances would pop up in another area."

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Sounds like the cops weren't being cowards but were instead just a few steps behind the mob. If our roles were reversed and if I suggested using weapons (or at least flexing police muscles by showing weapons) to deter or prevent the mob, you would reply, "Excessive use of force... unarmed mob... wasn't a threat to anyone... cops are cowards for bringing guns to a knife fight... etc."
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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:39 pm  
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Ok.

Or I could just walk through two feet of tape AWAY from the tree, take out my garbage, and move on with my life.

I mean, you talk about how you want to be some sort of uniformed badass, but at this time you're championing this guy's right to be a dick over...a tree with some tape around it.

That's a pretty far cry from drug dealers, murderers, rapists, and what have you.

This is why you want to be a cop. Cowards like you find that kind of "I have the badge so I'm never wrong and you do whatever I say no matter how retarded it is" - and affiliation with other cowards with the same attitude - very comforting.

Then you bitch about how the government wastes your tax dollars. Or how the government passes all kinds of restrictive laws against YOUR freedom. Or how people hold the most ludicrous viewpoints but sheer bias prevents them from compromising and working towards solving problems.

You are why. You are what is wrong with America. You blame everyone and everything else, but the problems are directly attributable to you.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:41 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Sounds like the cops weren't being cowards but were instead just a few steps behind the mob. If our roles were reversed and if I suggested using weapons (or at least flexing police muscles by showing weapons) to deter or prevent the mob, you would reply, "Excessive use of force... unarmed mob... wasn't a threat to anyone... cops are cowards for bringing guns to a knife fight... etc."


You're absolutely right, I would. And yes being "behind the mob" makes them cowards. Wrestle people to the ground and haul them off. No need for bullets, pepper spray or nightsticks - or curling up in fear.

Only total pussies would say they need to call in the Army or National Guard to take care of two dozen angry teenagers.

"They said it, so it must be true!" Democracy in action, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
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Nothing is more hilarious when a mob is coming down the street harassing cars and then you see the guy who says "fuck you too" and speeds up/keeps driving right through the middle of it. Hard to be a tough guy when you and your 30 friends are staring down a few tons of metal going straight towards you.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:43 pm  
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Wow you are fucking deranged.

The guy was a dick because you were being a dick, and he has one of those lucky jobs where he doesn't get fired for being a dick. end of story.

and by "a few steps behind the mob" he meant that they weren't physically behind them, they just hadn't caught up to a roving band of lunatics yet because they were responding to previous calls. score one for reading comprehension aestu.

and you ALWAYS mace or gas a mob. i'm not getting beaten to death by an angry mob because i felt i could bring each one of the VIOLENT MOB in unharmed. are you stupid? or just as far from being practical as you can be? What color are the clouds in your world?


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:44 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
You are why. You are what is wrong with America. You blame everyone and everything else, but the problems are directly attributable to you.

Aren't you blaming the cop for stopping your for being somewhere you shouldn't have been? You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing; blaming everyone else for YOU being the problem.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:48 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
i'm not getting beaten to death by an angry mob because i felt i could bring each one of the VIOLENT MOB in unharmed. are you stupid? or just as far from being practical as you can be? What color are the clouds in your world?


OH MAN THE TEENAGERS WE OUTNUMBER AND WHO WEIGH 75 POUNDS LESS THAN US MIGHT CLUB US TO DEATH THROUGH OUR KEVLAR AND BULLETPROOF MASKS

Lol, and you think you're some sort of survivalist badass who will solo occupying armies and everyone else in the post-apocalyptic world? You're afraid to go 1:1 with heavy armor vs unarmed people smaller than you are. Pussy.

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Aren't you blaming the cop for stopping your for being somewhere you shouldn't have been? You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing; blaming everyone else for YOU being the problem.


You don't see the irony that you own a gun to protect your property from TEH GOVT but now you're telling someone else that they should get told what to do in their own home because the government says so?

Again: who watches the watchers? This guy is automatically infallible?


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:51 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Usdk wrote:
i'm not getting beaten to death by an angry mob because i felt i could bring each one of the VIOLENT MOB in unharmed. are you stupid? or just as far from being practical as you can be? What color are the clouds in your world?


OH MAN THE TEENAGERS WE OUTNUMBER AND WHO WEIGH 75 POUNDS LESS THAN US MIGHT CLUB US TO DEATH THROUGH OUR KEVLAR AND BULLETPROOF MASKS

Lol, and you think you're some sort of survivalist badass who will solo occupying armies and everyone else in the post-apocalyptic world? You're afraid to go 1:1 with heavy armor vs unarmed people smaller than you are. Pussy.

Eturnalshift wrote:
Aren't you blaming the cop for stopping your for being somewhere you shouldn't have been? You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of doing; blaming everyone else for YOU being the problem.


You don't see the irony that you own a gun to protect your property from TEH GOVT but now you're telling someone else that they should get told what to do in their own home because the government says so?



Someone as dumb as you concerning society and personal interaction should be stabbed with a concealed knife that your limited intellect couldn't fathom someone carrying.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:55 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Usdk wrote:
i'm not getting beaten to death by an angry mob because i felt i could bring each one of the VIOLENT MOB in unharmed. are you stupid? or just as far from being practical as you can be? What color are the clouds in your world?


OH MAN THE TEENAGERS WE OUTNUMBER AND WHO WEIGH 75 POUNDS LESS THAN US MIGHT CLUB US TO DEATH THROUGH OUR KEVLAR AND BULLETPROOF MASKS

Lol, and you think you're some sort of survivalist badass who will solo occupying armies and everyone else in the post-apocalyptic world? You're afraid to go 1:1 with heavy armor vs unarmed people smaller than you are. Pussy.

lol...

1) There were 19 cops spread across the area.
2) Most squads don't roll around breaking up fights and taking reports in full armor. The last time I saw heavily armored police gear is when I was training with a SWAT in preparation for the G8 summit.
3) Groups of kids (some said to be 25 to 50 persons large) can easily over-power a single officer.
4) You're assuming the size of the teens and cops.
5) You're assuming the cop would be able to detain each kid one at a time; when there are dozens of kids, you're talking about a single cop against a ton of flesh. Those odds aren't good for cops even if they're armed.

Aestu wrote:
You don't see the irony that you own a gun to protect your property from TEH GOVT but now you're telling someone else that they should get told what to do in their own home because the government says so?

I don't own firearms to protect me from the government (I don't think I ever said that); I own them to protect my family from criminals because it's obvious the police aren't always able to.

The cop didn't tell you what to do in your home. He told you what to do on a public sidewalk (assuming it's public, of course).
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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:00 pm  
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Lol, and you think you're some sort of survivalist badass who will solo occupying armies and everyone else in the post-apocalyptic world? You're afraid to go 1:1 with heavy armor vs unarmed people smaller than you are. Pussy.


I still can't believe you take my postapocalyptic bullshit as anything but bullshit.

cops dont run around in riot gear. and what the fuck is a bullet proof mask?


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:02 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
1) There were 19 cops spread across the area.
2) Most squads don't roll around breaking up fights and taking reports in full armor. The last time I saw heavily armored police gear is when I was training with a SWAT in preparation for the G8 summit.
3) Groups of kids (some said to be 25 to 50 persons large) can easily over-power a single officer.
4) You're assuming the size of the teens and cops.
5) You're assuming the cop would be able to detain each kid one at a time; when there are dozens of kids, you're talking about a single cop against a ton of flesh.


The very fact you would train with a SWAT team for a summit - getting involved in something that's none of your business just so you can run around clubbing people, rather than doing something that could really make a difference and takes balls - reinforces your status as a bully and a coward.

Go to Iraq, or go volunteer in a dangerous area, if you want to make a difference or face danger.

25-50 kids in shirts aren't going to overpower 19 cops with tactics, communication, training, armor and physical fitness.

And no "15-20 year old" kids aren't going to be as large, physically fit or well-defended as cops. Nor are they going to have tactical training.

Eturnalshift wrote:
I don't own firearms to protect me from the government (I don't think I ever said that); I own them to protect my family from criminals because it's obvious the police aren't always able to.


...but they can waste their time harassing people over two feet of tape between the sidewalk and nowhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:07 pm  
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I am continually amazed at the bullshit that comes out of you.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
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I got it. I don't know what the last 4 pages of this thread is nor do I care, but it obviously isn't on topic. I want to be part of Ankama's trolling department.




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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
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We should threadsplit.


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 Post subject: Re: Whats your dream job?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 1:17 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
The very fact you would train with a SWAT team for a summit - getting involved in something that's none of your business just so you can run around clubbing people, rather than doing something that could really make a difference and takes balls - reinforces your status as a bully and a coward.

Go to Iraq, or go volunteer in a dangerous area, if you want to make a difference or face danger.

That's why I was training with SWAT. I was part of an engineer battalion the National Guard and we were to stand ready in case there were riots in DC when the G8 summit (could've been G20, IMF or some other money-related summit that get's all the stupid fuckers in a riotous mood - I forget which it is) came to town in Washington DC.

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25-50 kids in shirts aren't going to overpower 19 cops with tactics, communication, training, armor and physical fitness.

You act like the cops were single units all smashing skulls together. They were fielded all over the place doing reports and trying to stop the fights.

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And no "15-20 year old" kids aren't going to be as large, physically fit or well-defended as cops. Nor are they going to have tactical training.

They may not have the same defense or tactical training, but this wasn't a tactical event. They were squads of cops all over the area. They weren't working as a single, cohesive unit. They were all doing their own thing... and yes, a few dozen kids could over-power a few cops.


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