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The top 1% own 90%+ of this country and have as much political influence.

Sounds to me like they're getting a bargain.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

if you pay more you should get more.

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I'm not so sure we should make "no taxation without representation" inversely proportionate ("no representation without taxation"), but it's not hard to see how so many people are in favor of the kind of spending we've been doing for the last God-knows-how-many years when they're bearing none of the burden. If everyone were equally invested somehow, I doubt the train would be this far off the tracks.

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I don't understand how people can be "equally invested" when .1% of the population owns something like 35% of the wealth in the country whereas another 50% owns 2.5%.

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I don't get how the evil top whatever percent paying their much higher whatever percent is such a bad thing when it's very likely the top whatever percent is using a much smaller whatever percent of tax-funded services, meaning the evil top whatever percent is disproportionately paying into something which they're not the beneficiaries of and the bottom whatever percent isn't paying into something they're likely using.

ITT: Poor jellies jelly of rich jellies.

Gotcha.

PS: How does making people who are on welfare pay money to receive welfare checks make any sense?

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False for three reasons:
1. The rich benefit more from what government does for the country as a whole: ensuring law, order and stability. The rich don't collect welfare checks but they benefit from the status quo; the alternative would be riots and civil disorder.
2. Corporate welfare and government contracts
3. I don't recall the last time a poor person filed for a patent, or sued for copyright infringement, or filed for a business license, or had to have their activities managed by the FAA/FCC/NIH/Federal Reserve

Your argument boils down to "I got mine" (which is hypocritical since you consider yourself "successful" yet everything you have was given to you by the government), but we are all in this together.

Most of the country is doing badly, but if the government stopped, the rich would lose a lot more than those who have little to begin with.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

And then people wonder why "fuck you, got mine" is a commonly held association of republicans.

I love how many people siding with the rich aren't rich lul

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THANK YOU finally I was wondering where I could find this. I saw it at my friend's house a couple weeks ago and really wished I saw it with the conservatives here just so I could see their faces

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We've reached a problem with your logic. Either you think the revenues from income taxes are 100% of government income, or you understand that income tax revenue accounts for less than 1/2 of the government's income, and just throw the 50% out there to act like no one but the rich pay for government.

You're either a fool or a liar.



People need to stop using this idiotic argument. I'm not gay but I think gay people should be allowed to marry, I'm not black but I think they should be allowed to vote. The problem isn't siding with a group you don't belong to, the problem is believing these ridiculously skewed arguments. The rich control this country, they're the corporations, they're the politicians, they're the media, they're the power. Acting like they're some poor beat-up patriots who just want to do good for the poor people of America is just as ridiculous as acting like they're all evil hellspawn bent on killing kittens (though to be fair, a lot more have proven themselves to be the later than the former).

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whats the difference between "fuck you, got mine" and "fuck you, i want yours" ?

It's not the same as the two comparisons you made. Like, at all. The difference is that gays and blacks won't sooner suck every drop of your blood before giving up a dollar. They're not siding with them "because they think it's fair," they're siding with them because they share the same "fuck you, got mine" perspective.

Also, it wasn't an argument.

Soo.... wat.

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They're not saying "I want yours," it's more of "I could use some help here guys."

inb4 stupid moochers argument. As stated before, yes there are some moochers, but the vast majority aren't. So instead of proposing we do away with programs that help our fellow countrymen who are in dire straights, how about you conservatives propose a plan for ousting the moochers?

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All the same, it's kind of telling. The American Dream is killing this country, as I said in another thread. The delusion that work alone is all it takes to get anywhere, and that we should see large wealthy entities as the definition of success, is a sign of the insanity built into the American way of life. It may be an idiotic argument, but the fact remains that Jubber is a degreeless tech who will be replaced by a machine in 5 years. Eturnal is a glorified code monkey who at least scored an office instead of a cubicle. Neither of them will ever be rich enough to be "oppressed" by the supposed crushing taxes levied on the rich. They stand to gain nothing from defending that position, save the misguided belief that they're protecting the American Dream.

Which is to make tons of money on the backs of others and keep it all for yourself.

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