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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:57 am  
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Azelma wrote:
Being a member of a race or having a religious belief is not the same as being a racist hate monger. Someone with hateful beliefs towards a particular religion/race/nationality/whatever who expresses them in a disrespectful, often inflammatory manner should not be considered the same as someone who has positive beliefs and expresses them in a non-hate-fueled manner.


Again, according to whose standards?


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They hide behind freedom of speech in order to deliver their backward messages to the world.

I guess you think this is okay then Aestu? I guess we should just let this exist and let hate mongers do whatever they want because we don't want tyranny?


Yes. That is the price of freedom. Accepting things you just don't like.

"I may disagree with every word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Do I find those anti-gay demonstrators offensive? Yes, but they have the right to be there and do what they're doing. Freedom of speech is predicated upon the belief that a level playing field favors truth.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:04 pm  
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No, in reality I think it's great that society considers these people to be outcasts and fucking loonies. I think it's great that people take steps to keep them as far away from funerals as possible when they decide to throw their crazy bullshit around in public.


This is exactly what I was getting at. These people are allowed to have their opinion and because they decide to say shit that makes them look looney, society thinks they're fucking looney. That is the social backlash.


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What did I falsely attribute to you?


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You disapprove of social stigmas


The rest was just false. Social stigmas don't equate to tyranny, there is nothing preventing a person from acting against society's wishes.

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How is that different than discrimination based on race or religion?


This is just exceptionally stupid. You might have been able to fashion a weak argument out of religion, but claiming discrimination based on race is the same as discrimination based on saying stupid shit? You should probably take a break from the internet for a while, I think it would do you well.

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Again, according to whose standards?


Do you understand the concept of situation as it relates to political correctness? You don't seem to. If you don't understand the concept please ask for clarification instead of asking the same question over and over.

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Yes. That is the price of freedom. Accepting things you just don't like.

"I may disagree with every word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

Do I find those anti-gay demonstrators offensive? Yes, but they have the right to be there and do what they're doing. Freedom of speech is predicated upon the belief that a level playing field favors truth.


Nothing about the concept of being politically correct removes a person's freedom.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:06 pm  
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No, in reality I think it's great that society considers these people to be outcasts and fucking loonies. I think it's great that people take steps to keep them as far away from funerals as possible when they decide to throw their crazy bullshit around in public.


This is exactly what I was getting at. These people are allowed to have their opinion and because they decide to say shit that makes them look looney, society thinks they're fucking looney. That is the social backlash.


Discrimination.

"Loony." So what, you think you have all the answers? "Society" is always right?

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The rest was just false. Social stigmas don't equate to tyranny, there is nothing preventing a person from acting against society's wishes.


Except social stigma. AKA discrimination.

"You can't exercise your freedom of opinion or speech because someone else says so." That is tyranny, abridgement of freedom backed up by punishment.

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How is that different than discrimination based on race or religion?


This is just exceptionally stupid. You might have been able to fashion a weak argument out of religion, but claiming discrimination based on race is the same as discrimination based on saying stupid shit? You should probably take a break from the internet for a while, I think it would do you well.


It's a strong enough argument you can't rebut it.

"Stupid shit". Again, according to whose standards? How do you define "stupid shit"?


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:16 pm  
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Suitably ironic but it came to mindL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#Jewish

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Classical Jewish texts are seen by many as not stressing the homosexual aspect of the attitude of the inhabitants of Sodom as much as their cruelty and lack of hospitality to the "stranger."...

...The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins. Rabbinic writings affirm that the Sodomites also committed economic crimes, blasphemy and bloodshed. One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, after inscribing their names on them, and then subsequently refusing to sell them food. The unfortunate stranger would end up starving and after his death, the people who gave him the money would reclaim it.

A rabbinic tradition, described in the Mishnah, postulates that the sin of Sodom was related to property: Sodomites believed that "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours" (Abot), which is interpreted as a lack of compassion...


Do we say that is somehow more moral than murder? The point of the story is, it isn't.

There's no difference between discrimination de jure and discrimination de facto. It's no more morally acceptable because you pretend you don't get your hands dirty.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:28 pm  
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Don't make me do this.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:23 pm  
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I feel like ever since you threatened to carpet bomb aestu threads, he's been on even more of a tear.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:38 pm  
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I just hope that lessons were learned the last time Aestu tried to get into a pissing contest with me.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:41 pm  
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Mns wrote:
I just hope that lessons were learned the last time Aestu tried to get into a pissing contest with me.


It wasn't a pissing contest for me - for you, no doubt, and it looks like you're egging to instigate another. When someone wants to start a pissing contest, the best thing to do is to just do whatever it is you'd do if the person wasn't looking to start one.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:48 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
it looks like you're egging to instigate another.


Aestu another thread, I dare you.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:31 pm  
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No, in reality I think it's great that society considers these people to be outcasts and fucking loonies. I think it's great that people take steps to keep them as far away from funerals as possible when they decide to throw their crazy bullshit around in public.


This is exactly what I was getting at. These people are allowed to have their opinion and because they decide to say shit that makes them look looney, society thinks they're fucking looney. That is the social backlash.


Discrimination.

"Loony." So what, you think you have all the answers? "Society" is always right?


No one said society is always right. Here, however, society is right.

As long as the WBC argues the first amendment and breaks no laws, they'll win. The second they make a mistake, no matter how minor, a judge will take a long, luxurious shit on them.

In the meantime, social reaction is the only recourse for things that are legally permissible. I fully support the right to free speech/expression of anyone who dresses up as Hitler, a Klan member, or some other intensely negative figure for Halloween. But I sure as hell won't intercede on their behalf outside of a courtroom.


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:42 pm  
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ty tehra for giving me lulz of the day


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 Post subject: Re: Sure guy, we'll just be PC.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:47 pm  
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I think the kid's scowl is due more to fact he ain't no Pringles like the stereotypical Hispanic man, imo.


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