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 Post subject: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:28 pm  
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Interesting Pedo story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State ... se_scandal
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... 0/1?csp=hf

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The Penn State sex abuse scandal is a 2011 child sexual abuse scandal involving allegations against former Pennsylvania State University football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky and allegations of a university coverup of those incidents.[1] Sandusky, a longtime defensive coordinator under head coach Joe Paterno, retired in 1999 but retained access to Penn State's athletic facilities. A 2011 grand jury investigation reported that a graduate assistant told Paterno in 2002 that he had seen Sandusky performing a sex act on a 10-year-old boy in Penn State football's shower facilities. Paterno then reported the allegations to Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. In November 2011, Sandusky was arrested on 40 counts of molesting eight young boys over a 15-year period. In addition, Curley and university Senior Vice President Gary Schultz resigned after being charged with failing to report the incident to police and lying to a grand jury regarding what they knew about the incident. Paterno was not charged, but some have criticized his handling of the allegations.


I've browsed the grand jury report, it's pretty fucked up - Might be NSFW because of the details: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploaded ... ntment.pdf

Basically a graduate assistant walked in on this Penn State coach having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in the showers on campus. He immediately told Joe Paterno (head coach), who told his superiors (President/Athletic Director), and then nothing was done.

Many people are saying this is the end for Coach Paterno, who is a legend with the most Division 1 football victories of any coach (just reached that milestone 2 weeks ago).

Was Coach Paterno wrong? He reported the information to his superiors, but didn't go to police. His superiors are being charged with failure to report the incident, but he hasn't been charged. Part of me thinks as soon as someone had knowledge of it, you go to the police. Should he lose his job?

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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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If Penn State falls, when does the Vatican fall?


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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Mns wrote:
If Penn State falls, when does the Vatican fall?


They have faith and far too much money on their side to ever fall.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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Had to endure a year and a half of that goddamn school yell. I don't miss anything about PennState other than my freshman floor.

Also, regardless of how culpable Paterno is, it's long time they canned him. Once the school stops paying his salary, they can cut tuition by like 2k per student.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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The question is, what did he know and when did he know it? If it's just the account of that one grad student, he'd be out of line making an accusation...based on an accusation. Or did he have more to go on?


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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Aestu wrote:
The question is, what did he know and when did he know it? If it's just the account of that one grad student, he'd be out of line making an accusation...based on an accusation. Or did he have more to go on?


The way the court report reads; the graduate student witnessed the sexual assault occur, informed his father, and they then both went to Joe Paterno's house and informed him. The grand jury has cited the graduate assistants testimony as "extremely credible." It's also important to note that the accused pedophile had similar allegations in years previous (that Joe Paterno was aware of) but no official charges were filed.

I think it's a question of, did Joe Paterno do enough? He informed his university president and AD the very next day and they said that they would investigate. Well, they didn't investigate or inform the police, which is why they are now facing charges for failure to report the crime and lying to a grand jury (they lied about their knowledge of the situation).

I feel like if anyone ever brought something like this to me ("hey I just witnessed this guy who works for you banging a kid in the ass") I would inform my superiors, but I would also FOLLOW UP with them. You have to think of the welfare of the children in this case and it's a "better safe than sorry" Tell the cops so they can investigate.


The worst thing about all this is that the pedophile was still allowed access to all Penn State facilities until just this week. In fact, he had been around their athletic facilities as recently as last week...and this all happened a decade ago. It's no secret that the accused and Joe Pa were close friends (he was the defensive coach for 30 years, and part of 2 national championship teams...he was for a time considered the head coach in waiting after Paterno decided to hang them up).


Part of me wants to give Joe Paterno the benefit of the doubt...he did what he was supposed to, he told his superiors. Still...is that the kind of thing you just tell your superior and never follow up on? Perhaps following up could have revealed some inconvenient truths about the lack of action?


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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Azelma wrote:
The way the court report reads; the graduate student witnessed the sexual assault occur, informed his father, and they then both went to Joe Paterno's house and informed him. The grand jury has cited the graduate assistants testimony as "extremely credible."


Based on what?

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It's also important to note that the accused pedophile had similar allegations in years previous (that Joe Paterno was aware of) but no official charges were filed.


If this is - provably - so, then he should be charged with conspiracy.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:08 pm  
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He should of informed the police after he realized his superiors were doing nothing about it.
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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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He should have informed the cops yes.

Considering he himself wasn't a witness, I'm not sure whether or not they'll be able to get him for it. Still, if he's involved I hope they get him.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:18 pm  
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If all I had to go on was an eyewitness account, I wouldn't call the cops. I'll tell the guy to do it himself. I don't deal in allegations and innuendo. Besides, if he was so sure, why didn't the eyewitness do it himself?


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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Aestu wrote:
If all I had to go on was an eyewitness account, I wouldn't call the cops. I'll tell the guy to do it himself. I don't deal in allegations and innuendo. Besides, if he was so sure, why didn't the eyewitness do it himself?


Because the alleged abuser was a high profile coach of a high profile public university football team, worshiped by hundreds of thousands. Also it occurred on Penn State's campus, which was a huge liability to the institution. This graduate assistant was also a Penn State alum who probably loved his university more than anything. Think about it, if he just brought up those allegations he would be putting his job, his school, the rural town of State College, his national championship winning coach, everything on the line.

I'm not excusing him, he should have gone to the cops, but I can understand why he'd bring it to the head football coach first.

Though it should be stated that this eyewitness is the reason all this is happening now because the perv was eventually caught and his testimony alerted the cops that Penn State officials knew about it, hence the whole "failure to report information" charge.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
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Krizen wrote:
If an old woman who hunts down young men is called a Cougar, then is an old man who hunts down young men called a Nittany Lion?


I support this. I don't think it'll catch on though, "nittany lion" isn't short enough to be a meme.

As for Paterno getting charged with conspiracy, that'll get knocked out in court even if the DA chooses to press it. The man's 85 and has more money than god, so his counsel will easily toss aside anything the central-PA-bumblefuck DA can try to make stick.


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:58 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Aestu wrote:
If all I had to go on was an eyewitness account, I wouldn't call the cops. I'll tell the guy to do it himself. I don't deal in allegations and innuendo. Besides, if he was so sure, why didn't the eyewitness do it himself?


Because the alleged abuser was a high profile coach of a high profile public university football team, worshiped by hundreds of thousands. Also it occurred on Penn State's campus, which was a huge liability to the institution. This graduate assistant was also a Penn State alum who probably loved his university more than anything. Think about it, if he just brought up those allegations he would be putting his job, his school, the rural town of State College, his national championship winning coach, everything on the line.


So how does this validate innuendo?


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 Post subject: Re: Pedophiles and Penn State and Football
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:15 am  
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Yuratuhl wrote:
I support this. I don't think it'll catch on though, "nittany lion" isn't short enough to be a meme.

As for Paterno getting charged with conspiracy, that'll get knocked out in court even if the DA chooses to press it. The man's 85 and has more money than god, so his counsel will easily toss aside anything the central-PA-bumblefuck DA can try to make stick.


Well, that and apparently State College has already had one prosecutor who was looking into these allegations mysteriously disappear, at least according to what I heard on the radio Friday morning.

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