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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:12 am  
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You're a TV pundit with an audience of 0.


Gotta say this line made me LOL


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:24 am  
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Usdk wrote:
I have no idea if they're using provo's or not. I saw those pictures about oakland, but it didn't look like they were starting trouble, so from the evidence that i've actually seen, I don't think they are. Show me police using agents provocateur.


It's known that they do and the tactic is fundamentally based on secrecy and deceit. So long as they defend the tactic and reserve the right to use it, it will always be a legitimate suspicion.

You saw you "saw" pictures that "didn't look like" the cops were starting trouble. Which pictures? Based on what? How do you know?

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You're right. But It's a competitive market. If I went to school for criminal justice, I don't have any business applying to become a neuro surgeon. People who went to med school for neuro surgery would and SHOULD beat me for the job.


This analogy is completely unreal because I specifically made reference to entry-level, working-class jobs. Only in your mind is there this black-and-white distinction between being unemployed and being a neurosurgeon.

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I'm not talking about the heads of trading firms, I'm talking about John Q Trader who invests in the market to make some cash in the long haul who lost everything to this recession. Not to mention the ones whose retirements were dependent on their wall street investments. It happened to people I know, and if they didn't have backup plans they'd be begging for food on the corner.


Show me any evidence there is such a person.

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We get it, you hate cops. Yes there are bad cops, I've repeatedly agreed with this point and you're beating a dead horse with the faded gravestone. But there ARE "protesters" who are there to start shit, and you fucking know it, so stop being so obtuse.


So why does one justify suspicion and collective punishment but not the other?

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You spewing bullshit from your parents basement =/= respect for anything. Your fat agoraphobic fucking ass hasn't the courage to go join anything that you talk up on these forums, as evidenced by the fact that you HAVEN'T. You're a TV pundit with an audience of 0. Go DO something worthwhile or sit back like the rest of us and acknowledge that nothing you as a single person can do that would affect aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanything.


Same to you. Who are you and what are you doing?

You're right, I don't have as much courage as some people. Neither do you. The difference is that I don't need to disdain or whatever exceeds my capacity. I don't draw this false extreme between, "redneck slob with no ideals" and "spandex-clad defender of truth, justice and the American way".

Only someone who fails at life would see it in such black and white terms. Life is all about trying to make the best of it, trying to be a just man, trying to do your small measure to push things in the right direction. That is life's challenge.

One of life's greatest, but most important, challenges, is simply thinking about things, figuring it out, talking about it, etc. You don't always get the assurance that your small efforts will please St. Peter.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:41 am  
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15809742

So is that "a few bad apples"? Or is that a culture of brutality and malfeasance? It's not like the guy is dragging people into a corner and beating the shit out of them. They're doing this, in numbers, in broad daylight, with no provocation.

You're a wannabe thug. It's really that simple. You despise people with courage or thoughtfulness exceeding your own so you pull out this, "everything sucks, why try" bullshit. You identify with the cops because they, like you, are cowards way too stupid to do anything but fight people who try to bring change.

If the roles were reversed, and the protestor did something that probably hurts a lot less than pepper spray to the face, you would think it justified the cops shoot the protestor with live ammo. "He needs to defend himself against serious injury!" As it is, you're going to make some sort of weak copout like "well they need better training".

Or maybe they're just thugs who get out there to beat the crap out of people then stick tail between legs whenever they catch hell over it.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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You're grasping for straws. Have you found any?


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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Usdk wrote:
You're grasping for straws. Have you found any?


Yes, and I linked it


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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So its not ok for us to paint all OWS in the same brush, but it's ok for you to paint the teaparty and cops with the same brush.


got it.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:52 pm  
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Yahoo wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-pepper-spraying-uc-davis-protesters-173659159.html

It's not clear from the video what agency the officer who used the pepper spray represents. Officers from UC Davis and other UC campuses as well as the city of Davis responded to the protest, according to Annette Spicuzza, UC Davis police chief. Davis is about 80 miles north of San Francisco.
Karen Nikos, a university spokeswoman, told The Associated Press that she expects to have comment on the incident later Saturday morning.
Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.


You're right, guys, they should have just let things go until someone got really bold and it turned into a fucking riot. Then instead of bitching about pepper spray, we could be bitching about something awesome like protesters being shot and having nightsticks shoved up their ass. Your logic if flawless.



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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:00 pm  
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oh thats neat. yeah pepper spray comes out once people start being threatening.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:25 pm  
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If they say it, it must be true!

...How did they get surrounded, anyway?
*waddles into middle of peaceful crowd*
HALP IM SURROUNDED IMMA SPRAY

It's PROVABLY bullshit because the picture CLEARLY shows the cop standing there, spraying people who are prone, not moving, and the cop has total freedom of movement (to walk away etc). So you're believing a lie EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF it's a lie.

There is a difference between some person incidentally throwing something at someone and PEOPLE OF KNOWN IDENTITY committing mass violence in broad daylight.

You're a Nazi plain and simple. You think that the word of self-recognized authorities are the word of God and because they say it is is so, and they are justified in any violence because of their circular excuses.

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Tell me that guy is not on a roid rage. Is he going to get identified by face, tested, fired (or god forbid arrested) for attacking random people because he's raging on roids? Do you think that's going to happen even though it's known exactly by name who that is?


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:40 pm  
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Why would force be used if they didn't move? I'm pretty sure they were peacefully sitting on the ground, and really had no way of surrounding anyone anyway (seated + linked arms =/= surrounding capability).

I smell shenanigans.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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The video shows the cop slowly walking up, turning over people not moving and spraying them in the face. He has the freedom of action to walk into and out of the crowd. He wasn't surrounded.

People like Usd are Nazis who believe lies even when they're proven false because they are too terrified to think about anything so they idolize thuggery because it's easier for them.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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Aestu wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15809742


Aestu wrote:
If they say it, it must be true!


What's good for the goose...

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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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I don't see police brutality every time I look at an application of force.

That, apparently, makes me a nazi.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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Jubbergun wrote:
What's good for the goose...

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To be honest, you're doing the exact same thing.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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Yeah, on purpose, to demonstrate a point. If Aestu's only argument against a news article is "if they said it, it must be true," implying that the article is somehow false, then by extension any articles linked cannot be true, especially given that the reason an article can't be taken at face value is never specified.

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