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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--penn-state-sanctions-mark-emmert-four-year-bowl-ban-60-million-fine.html

too much? too little? wrong manner of punishments entirely?

Persons X, Y and Z committed these crimes, so we're going to punish the entire school, including students and other faculty members who had no knowledge of this.

The cost of the $60M will just come back down on the students. It's a stupid punishment that does not in any way address the crimes.

Sadly all too typical today.

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I'm fine with it.

The fact is this university deserves to be hurt since it continued to profit off the misfortune caused by some in their staff. Although Paterno did the right, protocol-based thing, by alerting the higher ups, he did the wrong thing by not breaking protocol and telling the authorities when it was clear no one in that inner circle was doing anything about it. Someone should've had the character and integrity to do something to protect these kids... instead, they simply tried to protect their football program. Could you imagine if Paterno (or anyone else that had knowledge of these events) actually stood up for these kids despite the consequences? That would be deserving of a statue.

The penalties are going to amount to $12M/yr over the next five years and that money is being put into a fund that will be used for prevention, detection and treatment of child abuse. In the 2009-10 academic year, the team generated $70.2M... $50.4M of that was profit. This fine isn't going to completely drain the team of funding... in fact, it looks like the program could function at it's normal capacity with less profit.

In any event, Penn State sucks. No one is going to want to go there because, as of a couple hours ago, their football team hasn't won a game since 1998. So bad.

I think it's crap. If he had broken protocol, I'm sure he would have been punished for that instead. If the higher-ups didn't do anything about it, then THEY should be punished, not him. The statue should have stayed, Sandusky should have got the chair, and the program should have been left untouched.

Shoulda coulda woulda.

I'm no fan of Penn State, but cmon, erasing all victories and fining $60M? Too harsh and doesn't address the problem. Seems like a bunch of crowd-pleasing shenanigans.

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But yeah, I'm with Eturnal on this one.

It is in the interest of justice that the organization and its members both be punished for what happened. They profited from Sandusky's accomplishments, no? They basked in his glory? Then why should they now not likewise share in his dishonor?

Failing to punish organizations and their members for the unlawful policies of organizations and the misdeeds of individual members creates an incentive to "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil". And that's evil. No - it is in the interest of justice to create an incentive for organizations to ensure the lawfulness of their members, and for individual members to feel that the law will be on their side if they report illegal activities, rather than going with the flow in the hopes that should they come to light they can plead ignorance or innocence.

If Sandusky's colleagues felt that they would lose everything if it came to light he was a molester they would have asked more questions. Simple as that. Maybe they didn't know for sure if he was, but I think they probably didn't want to know. And if they had, the abuse wouldn't have gone on as long as it did.

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I'm mostly curious where the NCAA got its authority to fine a public state institution.

All this is going to accomplish is a tuition hike. Paterno's already dead, he can't care that his record got erased. His will has presumably already been taken care of, so not a cent of his money is being affected. Sandusky's got criminal charges (and civil suits from victim[s], potentially) to contend with, the NCAA as an organization does not have legal standing to challenge him.

It's just pandering. I don't give a shit about the school. I hate PennState football. But this won't do any good. Not a single lick of it.

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Yeah that is interesting. I think they're hiding behind the LOIC (Lack of Institutional Control) - type penalty.

I was surprised Penn State signed the agreement accepting the sanctions. I guess they didn't want the PR nightmare of challenging it.

Pennsylvania Taxpayers and PSU students are the people who will foot this 60million bill. Not to mention the Civil Suits which some have estimated could cost PSU up to 200million+

Where are they gonna get that money?

They probably had to go through the football program for the penalties then, since penn state plays in the ncaa.

Next up the Catholic Church!

yeah. am i missing something? some guy is a pedophile, so the entire school gets shit for it?

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The school administration knew...or did not want to know...that he was a pedo. And they chose to not know because they wanted to profit. It is only fitting they be punished in equal measure.

Good admins will benefit a school. Bad admins will hurt it. These were bad admins. If there isn't an incentive to get rid of bad admin then why would people kick out bad admin?

What in that reasoning is flawed?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Agree completely with Battletard & Friends. The cost of the punishment will not be paid by the people who committed the crimes.

If i'm gonna send my kid to this school i want to know that everyone who turned a blind eye to this thing is no longer involved with the school. I want it purged with holy fire, not hitting it in the pocket. Hell, that makes it even less likely i'd want to send my kid to a school which already has to write off 60 million dollars. Fuck that shit lol.

Whole thing is symbolic without any real substance and doesn't fix anything, if anything it causes more damage. If i'm a current student / parent of a student of this school (college fees are expensive yeah?), i'm probably pretty pissed off at this punishment.

Bad.

I changed my opinion. Yes, this is the wrong sort of punishment. They should just impose a long-term ban and fire the entire administration.

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Nihilism is a copout.

I find it amusing that so many of you take this attitude toward this situation yet there's another thread where you think it's perfectly fine to pass laws removing other people's right because of something a third party did. In other words, you've already shown me that you have no problem at all with making decisions based on guilt-by-association. Hell, at least in this case the parties being linked were actually associated.

I've often objected to the NCAA and its rules and fines, and I agree that it's a bit of a stretch for them to be able to fine Penn State for this. Sandusky may have been on the coaching staff, but it's not like his crimes are/were violations of anything with which the NCAA should be dealing. As many of you said, it also penalizes the wrong people (paying students and the State of Pennsylvania) by making them foot the bill for the mistakes of others, and it just seems like a money-grab. Hopefully the people responsible have already resigned or been fired.

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