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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:39 pm  
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Jushiro wrote:
I once saw an affliction warlock who put a talent point into haunt (as you should...) but never used it.

I think that person is the type this game is being built for.


But there have always been people like this who play. If anything, I would blame having so many abilities available with adding one or two every expansion. And Warlock had a shitload of spells already.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:47 pm  
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I think I'll just stick this in here, I was reading it but it's incredibly long...

dl.dropbox.com/u/18759/decline.html

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If I could summarize the problem of the Warlock class, it is that the class suffers from inelegant complexity without reward. The class has long had a tradition of being one of the more complicated classes in Warcraft, with lots of buttons and demanding rotations that require players to juggle multiple variables to achieve maximum performance. The cycle of damage and healing between a warlock, their target, and their demon is not a simple one - but it was an elegant one.

It just required a lot of buttons.

What appears to have changed in Cataclysm is that the complexity of playing a Warlock increased, while the rewards for doing so decreased. Furthermore, numerous changes were made to the class which made the mechanics clumsy and awkward. This is manifest in the two chief complaints about Warlocks:

Combat on a Warlock is more complicated than other classes, yet yields lower returns. Be it in battlegrounds, dungeons, or even questing, you do more to get less done with a Warlock than on other classes.
Outside of combat, playing a Warlock is harder than other classes due to quality of life issues. Leveling lacks flow, talents are poorly planned out, acquisition of new spells while leveling is confusing, and utility is lackluster.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:05 pm  
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Jushiro wrote:
I think I'll just stick this in here


Completely agreed.

But I also agree with Meowth that Haunt is part of what that post alludes to. Rolling dots in TBC was difficult/rewarding enough, though ofc a lot of that had to do with the fact that TBC encounters made everything multitasking. Either way, Haunt still always felt really inelegant to me.

I also think that removing class quests to facilitate lazy programming and ridiculously fast levelling was a mistake. Warlock class quests were especially fun. And honestly the new shard system is crap on every level. I'd take the old system any day.

Basically the problem is Blizzard devs are incompetent and totally out of touch with their own game.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:26 pm  
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Sept 25 release date.

I don't see myself playing it however


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:26 pm  
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Sept 25 release date.

However I don't see myself playing it


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:26 pm  
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WTB MoP DDX 50k gold


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:08 pm  
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Somehow I don't think 50k gold is equivalent to that much money.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:21 pm  
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How much is the DDX? The CE is $80, so it's probably like $50 or something - I'd offer 100k for it, then.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:05 am  
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I might take you up on that offer, depending on whether or not I decide to remain playing. I get bored with it after a few hours.

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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:34 am  
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I am also buying RAF mount. 30k.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:59 am  
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I'm playing Horde if Tuhl plays. Otherwise i buy the game and not play.

Need a new mousepad you see.

Or Pandapad.

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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:00 am  
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I really wanted diablo 3 to be good and for people to still be playing it after a month and a half.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:11 am  
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I do

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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:54 pm  
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I'll only play WoW if:

Grim starts playing again
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Bucket Community all starts playing again.


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 Post subject: Re: @MoP Beta
PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:08 pm  
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[12:43:44] Malais has died.
[12:44:18] Deathwulfe has died.
[12:44:30] Pandereta has died.
[12:44:37] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: omfg
[12:44:43] Onelast has died.
[12:49:14] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: can we go in now???
[12:50:02] AutoRoller has selected Greed for: [Rose Quartz Band]
[12:50:03] Your share of the loot is 1 Gold, 3 Silver, 98 Copper.
[12:50:06] Pandereta has selected Disenchant for: [Rose Quartz Band]
[12:50:14] You have selected Disenchant for: [Rose Quartz Band]
[12:50:14] Disenchant Roll - 85 for [Rose Quartz Band] by Aestu
[12:50:14] Disenchant Roll - 99 for [Rose Quartz Band] by Pandereta
[12:50:14] Pandereta won: [Rose Quartz Band]
[12:50:14] [Rose Quartz Band] was disenchanted for loot by Pandereta.
[12:50:15] Pandereta receives loot: [Heavenly Shard].
[12:50:41] Stonecore Sentry yells: Invaders have breached the sanctum halls!
[12:51:03] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: wut did she drop???
[12:51:06] Your share of the loot is 40 Silver, 83 Copper.
[12:51:22] Pandereta receives loot: [Ruined Embersilk Scraps]x2.
[12:51:23] Your share of the loot is 49 Silver, 14 Copper.
[12:51:34] [P] [85:Aestu]: [Vitreous Stone Drake]
[12:51:43] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: WUT!?
[12:51:47] Stonecore Sentry yells: Invaders have breached the sanctum halls!
[12:51:51] Stonecore Sentry yells: Invaders have breached the sanctum halls!
[12:51:56] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: WUT DID YOU SAY?!
[12:52:26] Stonecore Sentry yells: Invaders have breached the sanctum halls!
[12:52:26] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: [Reins of the Vitreous Stone Drake]??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
[12:52:26] [P] [85:Pandereta-Dra]: [Banda de cuarzo rosa]
[12:52:37] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: DID SHE DROP IT!?!?!??!?!!
[12:52:59] [P] [85:Aestu]: she only drops it for competent american players
[12:53:06] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: I WUNT THAT YOU FAT FUCK!
[12:53:14] Kiratara joins the party.
[12:53:17] [P] [85:Pandereta-Dra]: lol
[12:53:37] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: I WUNT THAT MOUNT!
[12:53:45] [P] [Kiratara-Gar]: the mount drop?
[12:53:48] [|Kf298|kcody brady|k] has gone offline.
[12:53:55] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: [Reins of the Vitreous Stone Drake]!!
[12:53:58] Pandereta receives loot: [Embersilk Cloth]x4.
[12:53:59] Your share of the loot is 95 Silver, 51 Copper.
[12:54:34] [P] [85:Malais-Tro]: yea tank killed the boss w/o us and we didnt get the loot
[12:54:59] [P] [85:Pandereta-Dra]: that wasnt the loot
[12:55:03] [P] [85:Pandereta-Dra]: relax
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: Recount - Damage Done for Overall Data
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: 1. Aestu 13301174 (14975.4, 58.5%)
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: 2. Pandereta-Drakkari 4672005 (15170.8, 20.5%)
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: 3. Deathwulfe-Trollbane 2905999 (10122.6, 12.7%)
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: 4. Malais-Trollbane 1788005 (6594.6, 7.8%)
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: 5. Onelast-Goldrinn 19818 (64.8, 0%)
[12:55:05] [P] [85:Aestu]: 6. Kiratara-Garona 16192 (479.5, 0%)
[12:55:14] Stonecore Sentry yells: Invaders have breached the sanctum halls!
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: Recount - Healing Done for Overall Data
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: 1. Onelast-Goldrinn 3528269 (11539.7, 48.2%)
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: 2. Aestu 2760813 (3016.9, 37.7%)
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: 3. Malais-Trollbane 407608 (1503.4, 5.5%)
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: 4. Kiratara-Garona 298534 (4899.6, 4%)
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: 5. Deathwulfe-Trollbane 287014 (999.8, 3.9%)
[12:55:32] [P] [85:Aestu]: 6. Pandereta-Drakkari 35004 (105.6, 0.4%)
[12:55:47] Kiratara receives loot: [Embersilk Cloth]x4.
[12:55:47] Pandereta receives loot: [Embersilk Cloth]x4.
[12:55:47] [P] [85:Aestu]: AMERICANS
[12:55:47] Your share of the loot is 12 Silver, 70 Copper.
[12:55:48] Your share of the loot is 36 Silver, 41 Copper.
[12:55:55] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: i hate you......
[12:56:00] [P] [85:Aestu]: we know
[12:56:09] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: no we dont
[12:56:21] [P] [Kiratara-Gar]: wtf?
[12:56:29] [P] [85:Aestu]: what
[12:56:35] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: you'r a bich who love's to take things
[12:56:38] [P] [Kiratara-Gar]: what are you fighting about lol
[12:56:50] [P] [85:Aestu]: bad BRs being bad
[12:56:51] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: [Reins of the Vitreous Stone Drake]
[12:56:54] Ozruk yells: None may pass into the World's Heart!
[12:56:54] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: the mount
[12:56:55] [P] [Kiratara-Gar]: ah lol
[12:56:59] Ozruk casts [Elementium Bulwark]!
[12:57:04] Ozruk yells: Break yourselves upon my body. Feel the strength of the earth!
[12:57:10] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: FUCK THES!
[12:57:19] Ozruk casts [Elementium Bulwark]!
[12:57:24] Ozruk yells: Break yourselves upon my body. Feel the strength of the earth!
[12:58:00] Ozruk casts [Elementium Bulwark]!
[12:58:07] Ozruk yells: Break yourselves upon my body. Feel the strength of the earth!
[12:58:12] [|Kf288|kZach Elliott|k] (Trauk) has come online.
[12:58:20] Deathwulfe has died.
[12:58:20] Ozruk casts [Elementium Bulwark]!
[12:58:23] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: i hate you
[12:58:29] Ozruk yells: Break yourselves upon my body. Feel the strength of the earth!
[12:58:42] Pandereta has died.
[12:58:43] Ozruk casts [Elementium Bulwark]!
[12:58:50] Ozruk yells: Break yourselves upon my body. Feel the strength of the earth!
[12:58:55] [P] [85:Kiratara-Gar]: The imps keep getting summoned
[12:58:56] Kiratara has died.
[12:58:59] [P] [85:Kiratara-Gar]: kill the summoner lol
[12:59:04] Ozruk casts [Elementium Bulwark]!
[12:59:09] Ozruk yells: The cycle is complete.
[12:59:12] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: TY!
[12:59:13] [P] [85:Aestu]: kick the dk
[12:59:18] [P] [85:Aestu]: he pulled the entire room on purpose
[12:59:35] _NPCScan: The following Deepholm unit(s) are already cached: “Jadefang”.
[12:59:35] [1] Changed Channel: [1. General - Deepholm]
[12:59:41] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: ya cuz you did not kill them
[12:59:49] Welcome to The Stonecore (5 Player (Heroic)). Instance locks are scheduled to expire in 22 Hours 59 Minutes.
[12:59:49] [1] Changed Channel: [1. General - The Stonecore]
[12:59:54] [P] [85:Aestu]: you dont need to kill them you retard
[12:59:55] [P] [85:Malais-Tro]: he didnt see them
[13:00:04] [P] [85:Aestu]: then hes mentally retarded
[13:00:09] [P] [85:Aestu]: and should be kicked
[13:00:17] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: nah
[13:00:21] [P] [85:Aestu]: priest, kick dk
[13:00:23] [DG] [85:Deathwulfe-Tro]: you get out
[13:00:25] [P] [85:Aestu]: or mage, do it
[13:00:35] [P] [85:Aestu]: but then who will carry you through content
[13:00:43] Your share of the loot is 15 Silver, 29 Copper.
[13:00:43] You have been removed from the group.


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