Azelma wrote:
THEY LOST ITS A FUCKING LAWWWWWWWWWWW
Mns wrote:
The ACA has been passed by the legislative branch, signed by the executive branch, and was upheld by the judicial branch.
I could say some of the exact same things about a few other things, like the Patriot Act, NSA wiretapping, and the Debt Ceiling. I'm guessing we shouldn't try to end some of the ridiculous NSA shenanigans because people opposed to secret courts lost and it's a fucking law? I know you're not going to tell me that the Debt Ceiling passed, and the people who want to raise it lost and it's a fucking law. The "it's the law" argument is for dumbs. You guys aren't dumbs. Stop acting like dumbs.
Azelma wrote:
Wasn't the bill negotiated already before it was passed? I remember it getting bastardized repeatedly to cave to republican demands.
I don't remember it that way at all, and it seems contrary to the reality of the situation. The democrats didn't need republican votes for jack shit, and when the time for super-majority votes did finally come, they used procedures to circumvent them. The "negotiations" and "bastardization" I remember were
special deals like the Cornhusker Kickback designed to get red-to-purple state democrats to go along with a bill that became more unpopular the more people learned about it.
I also recall President Obama making a figurative deal with the devil by promising the insurance lobby a buttload of new, paying customers in exchange for an entire industry not opposing the train wreck his name is going to be tied to forever.
Azelma wrote:
Look, I've said before...the ACA has some major flaws...but it does make some big steps in the right direction. Most republican constituents hate it because:
1) They don't understand it or how it works
2) It was part of Obama's platform and has a scary name like "Obamacare"
3) Republican leadership and FOX News is telling them to hate it
4) "Herr derr constitution gubment can't tell me to buy healthcare constitution constitution John Adams Founding Fathers contitution"
[sarcasm] Yes, those are exactly the reasons I've been talking about for the last few weeks. [/sarcasm] Does the pretentious "people only disagree with me/us because they're dumb" ever get old? The rest of us grew out of that shit in the 7th grade.
Mns wrote:
At this point, we're talking about denying thousands of people the healthcare they've just received from Obamacare, which would tantamount to political suicide, no matter how angry and racist your base is.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot "you're mean and you hate brown people," which also has nothing to do with wanting to repeal this law because it's complete shit. You know who's going to make it easy to repeal the ACA? The people who are going to start bitching because their insurance bills just doubled or tripled...
Usdk wrote:
Well my insurance premiums are going to triple next year with my current plan.
...and I'll bet that even working in food service our brother doesn't qualify for subsidies. So yeah, there's that.
My favorite story about these people includes a quote that really explains modern left-wing thinking to me:
"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally." Charity is so much easier when it's other people's money.
It might be a shitty game of chicken, but if the "parts are falling off the car" anyway, it's not like republicans have a lot to lose. Never play chicken with someone who is suicidal...they have the competitive advantage. I wonder how long it will take President Obama to realize that and agree to give everyone the one-year extension he's already given his pals and make congress abide by the same rules as the rest of the country just like republicans asked for with the last continuing resolution?
Because that's what's going to happen. The only question right now is how long it's going to take.
Your Pal,
Jubber