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]I don't think they have as much influence as you think they have.


The fact you actually believe this proves how successful they are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pe ... ncial_data

BP 2006 sales: $265 billion
BP 2006 profit: $44 billion

2005 Louisiana GDP: $168 billion
Lousiana GDP per capita: $30,952
Employed in seafood: 16,000 persons

2010 US government federal budget: $3.11 trillion

$69M is pocket change.
Nice numbers and wiki-link? Do us all a favor and explain how those numbers are directly manipulating the American media and, more specifically, me... and then prove to me the Media hasn't been showing pictures and video of this Oil Spill.
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Proof being, you are inclined towards BP - you think an increase in gas prices is justifiable and to be expected - even though the raw numbers prove that the impact is marginal. You have been successfully manipulated.

We READ about oil balls the size of tennis balls, about wildlife dying, about angry people, but we never SEE it in the sort of vividness it must be occuring, aside from the odd snapshot of a bird being cleaned or a few individual fat Southerners.


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Still waiting on you to connect the dots between your seemingly unrelated number grabs from wiki and how it influences the American media and, specifically, me. (I pulled this one from your playbook, Aetsu.)

Also, high-five for only reading a couple out-of-country news sources. Click on all of these links in the coming minutes... you'll see they all feature news about the oil spill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
http://www.foxnews.com
http://www.wtop.com/
http://www.myway.com/ (This website doesn't use images on its front page, so look at the main headlines section on the right to see the first headline, "Gulf oil spill's threat to wildlife turns real")

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0 ... tml?showal - This politico post shows news papers from various parts of the country front-paging the pictures of the birds.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36880053/ns ... ginSlide=1
- MSNBC has a lot of pictures of the damage... this slideshow starts on Month 2, so be sure to check out Month 1 by clicking the link at the top-right of the page.

Even the CBC, BBC and Weather.com have articles and videos, with even a couple video snippets on the front pages of these websites. Nearly every time I turn on CNN, FOX, MSNBC or even my local news, I see videos of the oil slick, the dead animals resulting from the leak, the BP executives, oil washing into the LA wetlands and washing up on the FL panhandle shore, etc. The fact is this has been covered in great detail by the main news outlets and, I'm sure, by hundreds or thousands of well known bloggers and crap. Shows like The Colbert Report, The Daily Show and several other comedy/news shows have talked about this. Hell, the news was all buzzing about the Anti-BP protests taking place in the country.

I don't know how you can even say BP has been doing a good job mitigating the damage from this oil spill. All I see and hear anymore are videos, images and radio conversations about the spill.

(I screen-capped the front pages of a couple of these websites in case you're not convinced.)


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Thank you for linking the front pages of random news sites, as if that substantiates your position. I think you don't really understand my point, though.

In all those images you linked, the animals, though coated in oil, are alive and well. The people aren't miserable; they're cleaning it up. You don't see piles of dead fish and birds or huge oil balls laying on beaches or people crying about their lost businesses. In all those pictures, the sun is shining, and there's no shadows. You do not understand how subtly images can be used to influence people.


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lol no its a sunny nice fun time oilspill.


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Aestu wrote:
Thank you for linking the front pages of random news sites, as if that substantiates your position. I think you don't really understand my point, though.

In all those images you linked, the animals, though coated in oil, are alive and well. The people aren't miserable; they're cleaning it up. You don't see piles of dead fish and birds or huge oil balls laying on beaches or people crying about their lost businesses. In all those pictures, the sun is shining, and there's no shadows.
I think I did a fine job substantiating my position and poking a hole in yours. I linked you several sources which proves that the media is still reporting on the disaster and the best you did was linked seemingly irrelevant numbers; reminds me, you still haven't connected the dots between all the numbers you posted before; how do they prove that BP is controlling the media and, specifically, me?

If I'm getting this right, you're saying BP is controlling the media, photographers and videographers, somehow paying them off and keeping them from releasing offensive pictures?

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"Gulf oil spill: dead dolphins recovered" - LA Times

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"As thunderstorm clouds formed on the horizon Saturday, biologists Mandy Tumlin and Clint Edds searched the waters of Barataria Pass for a dead dolphin reported to the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. It didn’t take long before they spotted the dolphin on its side floating near the east side of the pass."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/05/gulf-oil-spill-dead-dolphins-recovered.html

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"Dying, dead marine wildlife paint dark, morbid picture..." - NY Daily News

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"Carcass of a decomposing dolphin on rocks at Queen Bess Island in Gulf of Mexico"

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BP is clearly doing a stellar job being oil spill police and making sure these photos don't make their way into the media.

PS: I can't believe the sun is shining in an area that is known for a lot of sunshine!? These photos are obviously BS... mirite?
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It's that there is no shadow. That is significant in establishing the mood of the image.

You proved my point though...none of that is from a big news site, it's from green blogs.

Advertising is an obvious example. Ever notice all those athletes suddenly promoting AIG after the scandal? Or that they called this "just the start" or "a major milestone"?


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So you're going to ignore the fact that it's been discussed on the television, in great detail, for the last forty-something days? You're going to pretend that the news, presidential press conferences, blogs, websites and newspapers (which I've linked to you) all have shown these images... and you're going to harp on and on about there not being any shadows? Guess what - Pictures don't come out well when they're taken in the pitch black and during the day time, there aren't a lot of clouds and storms - it's the god damn Gulf of Mexico. "Establishing the mood?" I'll be sure to schedule my funeral on a rainy day then.

I forget who it was but they more or less said it best - you will use whatever you can, by opinion, to gain an edge in an argument to the point where the person you're arguing with simply gives up because you're so fucking dense. When presented with links, screen shots and pictures, you discredit everything... especially the pictures, because they came from a blog? How about this, slick - Your irrelevant numbers (which you have yet explained - probably because you can't and you're just pulling shit out your ass) were pulled from Wikipedia. I guess that automatically dismisses your argument because it's a Wiki? Is that how we have to play? It doesn't matter that I linked things BIG news websites like this to you:

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Mind you, these websites have been blasting headlines like this for the last couple weeks. This isn't new. BP isn't doing a good job keeping anything a secret - even in their infinite wealth and far reaching power and influence. They haven't kept it off the TV, Radio or Web.

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Most Americans are far too stupid to notice that there are very few pictures of the most dramatic damage of the disaster the way there was during the Valdez disaster. We don't see birds suffocating or miles of corrupted beaches or businesses shuttered or angry Southerners milling about. We see some "closed" signs and birds being cleaned off and the occasional slick - very inoffensive stuff. BP has learned greatly from the PR of the Valdez disaster and how shock images influenced the public.


Bold statement but we have seen birds suffocating, corrupted beaches, empty vacation hot-spots and images from space which show the extent of the damage. I've showed you the pictures, links, etc. BP is in damage control mode for both PR and clean-up, but they really don't have the power you think they have to manipulate the masses... and if they do, you need to prove it.

This CBS poll (from last week, I think) shows people think BP is doing a phenomenal job.
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Well this is definitely a subjective argument as it balances around our interpretation of the images so lets leave it at that.


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Aestu wrote:
Well this is definitely a subjective argument as it balances around our interpretation of the images so lets leave it at that.


Well since it's been objectively proven that there are nasty pictures of this on major media sites and not just "green blogs," I suppose the only way to avoid an admission of error on your part is to argue that the objective criteria is no longer relevant.

Maybe you just didn't notice that there were nasty pictures since the only place you ever seem to look for anything is the BBC, and BP probably does have some influence there.

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Jubbergun wrote:
Aestu wrote:
Well this is definitely a subjective argument as it balances around our interpretation of the images so lets leave it at that.


Well since it's been objectively proven that there are nasty pictures of this on major media sites and not just "green blogs," I suppose the only way to avoid an admission of error on your part is to argue that the objective criteria is no longer relevant.

Maybe you just didn't notice that there were nasty pictures since the only place you ever seem to look for anything is the BBC, and BP probably does have some influence there.


How do you objectively define the nastiness of an image? According to the metrics I suggested they aren't very nasty at all.


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