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As internet users, I thought you should be aware.

Also, you should sign this.

On a related matter as well, here's an article that looks at 'copyright infringement' in a much different manner.

Admittedly, I'm a bit of a pessimist when it comes to corporations/government/society. That being said, the idea of a "free" and "completely open" internet is a pipe dream.

We can sign petitions, make a big stink, but I seriously doubt we will be able to stop the inevitable.
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Corporations (Comcast, Verizon, TimeWarner, etc..and yes, even Google) want control of the internet more than anything in the entire world.

Compounding this is the fact that we can also stream movies, television shows, and music, etc.. (so now these corporations who have cable TV/production companies/ HD etc offerings are threatened another way).

This is just another manifestation of this desire. The corporations/government have all the money and power, so rest assured, there will never be a free internet. They will impose download limits, and charge you for differing speeds and data transfer amounts.

They will block web sites (or remove them completely) that "violate" copyright laws, or infringe upon anything.


Rest assured my friends, these billion dollar companies will protect their revenue streams at all costs - especially at the cost of consumer freedom

what a fuck knuckle.

I don't do "inevitable." I signed it.

I'd call/write my senator/congressman, but it'd be easier just to remove them when November rolls around. AMIRITE?

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I will do what I can to fight against such a bill being signed, but even if it were it would never, and I mean NEVER withstand even a basic judicial scrutiny.

They can arrest you for breaking the law online, but they can't prevent you from publishing a website where such acts might happen nor can they prevent you from reading it.

And as far as banishing something from the internet... well.. .the internet doesn't really work that way. For one, sites hosted in foreign countries they can't do dickshit about except ask the host country to do something about it, and even if they try it would be pretty much impossible to keep someone from just putting up the site again.

Take Wikileaks for example. That site wants to stay open, and it is so decentralized that it will.

In fact, I don't doubt that this is an attempt to do something about Wikileaks....

Akina: bitch I will stab you in the face

I read the bill.

It addresses a real and pressing problem - piracy - that does need to be combatted. The bill itself is pretty narrow in scope and most of the claims about it are hyperbole. In effect, it really doesn't change the status quo, that copyright owners have a legal right to pursue an injunction against violators, except to provide a modus operandi in the electronic realm.

The problem with the bill is that it appears overly in favor of big companies that can play the legal game and can aggressively submit and sustain lawsuits, especially Section 3 which basically seems to treat the Justice Dept as a clearinghouse for their whims.

That said, the bill is necessary - in some form - and the debate should not be whether such a law should be implemented but how it can be implemented in a fair and accessible way.

In any event, I doubt it would survive a constitutional challenge.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Ye ain't a pirate, eh???

Piracy is an issue, but the solution is not to address the symptom but to address the problem causing it. Shutting down these websites will not stop people from file sharing any more than shutting down Napster did.

So long as people feel it is more worthwhile to go through the trouble of finding and downloading a pirated copy of something than it is to buy it legitimately, they will do so. Ultimately, the solution will have to come from tipping that balance.

It's not impossible to do. If companies made it easier to get to their content legitimately than it is to get to it illegitimately, and offered the content for the actual market price (what people are actually willing to pay for it), then the problem would mostly go away.

But so long as would-be customers have to jump through hoops to pay too much for your product, they won't.

To wit, I prefer to buy music from Amazon than to torrent it. I can be sure of the quality, that it doesn't skip, I get the files as mp3s and don't have to struggle with a non-standard file type, and Amazon is easy to search and has 1-click purchasing. I wouldn't mind it being a little cheaper and I could see the price being a problem for someone with less disposable income, but it's a good example of how to address the problem.

ITunes, on the other hand, I would never buy music from. I don't want to deal with their proprietary file types.

Akina: bitch I will stab you in the face

bill is fucked, and even if it somehow gets through (it won't) some panel of judges somewhere is going to rape it without remorse.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
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False corrolary; people being willing to steal something they don't need doesn't prove the price is too high, only that the product is desirable and security is low.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Didnt the last time the FBI try to crackdown on illegal download stuff 4chan crashed their servers?

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I torrent everything. Everything I have has been stolen.

Unlike some, I give a shit about the bands I listen to. I do buy CD's I really like. Bout once every few months I look at the bands I've been listening to, and then list them by their rank on Amazon. I buy stuff from the lowest ranked bands first and then move up to higher ranked stuff.

I have to admit, being a poor ass, I usually only get through about 80% of the list. Hence the starting with the less money making bands first, as they need the most help.

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I use piracy as a way of "trying before buying".

I personally feel that one of the main reasons of a lot of pirating, especially games and movies, is because the price has increased and the quality has decreased. With the sea of shit that's been pouring out of the movie theaters and video game markets, I've become much more apprehensive about investing $15 or $40-60 smackers for something that, for all I know, will be a complete waste of time and effort.

I suppose it's always been like this for movies, but I really can't feel bad for assholes like Activision, who hiked the price of the PC version of one of their CoD games (I think it was the newest one) in order to "cover costs of piracy". I'm pretty sure the last time I saw a demo for a game was in the early 00's and I'm beyond tired of the crapshoot of buying a game on what someone else says.

I usually end up pirating games first but if I thoroughly enjoy them, I'll buy them.

If anything, I feel its a lot like what's happening with other businesses in the country, where people are getting smarter and are refusing to pay premium price for shitty product. I look at the clusterfuck of Activision trying to milk money out of everyone and then I look at companies like Valve, which seem to be flourishing because they listen to their fanbase, make great games, and reward their fans (ex. TF2 Community hats, continued DLC support for L4D, etc).

TL;DR - If companies actually gave a shit about their product, there'd be a lot less piracy than there is now.

RETIRED.
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"ship it, we'll patch it later"

Lol penalizing the honest people because there are dishonest people, lol fuck you activision.

but yeah, thats why i like valve.



No, people steal because they aren't willing to pay as much as businesses ask for the shit the entertainment industry has been pumping out lately. When is the last time a game as great as say....Portal was released?

Not to mention stealing things that are no longer in print, like old snes games.