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Seriously, over the last 15 years of education every time I have had a history course, the one thing covered in fucking over the top detail is: "The Holocaust".

Yes i know it was a horrible event, and i feel for the victims of such events, but can we possibly go an entire 3 credit/highschool/midschool history/english course without covering it.

By now this shit seems like the Beatles of fucking History. Yes I get that it happened and it was tragic, 2/3 of the jewish population died in it, yes i know that. Auchwitz was the worst of the Concentration camps, ovens, gas showers, Krystalnacht, the works. It just seems like every time I take a course the same information is covered and it is really getting old.

I dunno, I'm just sick about hearing about this shit in general, I've been to the museum, read the novels, heard the stories, seen the pictures, what has been told has been told. It just seems at this point that the entire idea of "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is taken to the DARE standard of scare tactics and the issue has been overtalked to death.

Angry rant, yadda yadda yadda.

TLDR: Can we stop covering the Holocaust in every history course the same way, it's seriously getting fucking old.

Engi-nerd

marginally off-topic, but i personally see the point of "preventing history from repeating itself" being a general joke
i mean, if you look at modern american society, we have lost many freedoms that we used to enjoy for the sake of "security" thus given the government more oversight into our personal lives. additionally, there has been the false dichotomy of "us vs. them" in regards to religious groups which has resulted in an entire culture being ostracized.
yet if anyone attempts to make the parallel between this an the fascist regimes of the past, they're immediately called a nutjob for using the hitler-argument

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

I agree, but it also does need to be kept being shoved down peoples throats, else we may end up with more ahmedinatards on the home front.

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Oh, and what about Black History Month...? Can we stop covering that, too?

GOD ALL YOU PEOPLE WANT IS EQUALITY YET YOU WANT AN ENTIRE MONTH TO YOURSELF...IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A WHITE HISTORY MONTH.

/sarcasm

Inb4: White History Month is every month

Engi-nerd

In canada we have an asian history month, native history month and im not sure but i think there is a quebec history month.

No one gives a shit though.

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given how much revisionist history is being put into texas textbooks, i wouldn't be surprised if they stopped observing black history month and instead just teach about how not-that-important those events were and how really they wouldn't have happened without white people

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

Everyone covers the Holocaust because it was terrible, but also because it (and world war two) continue to have a big impact on the world today. Israel wouldn't exist without it, and the US wouldn't be as hated in the middle east (Desert Storm would have still pissed them off), which might not have led to 9-11. Too many teachers and even professors teach history as a series of events instead of a flow of inter-connected issues.

If the information is old then take classes that aren't the standard modern American/European history courses. 15 years would leave to believe that either you took 2 years of a very mature preschool, or you've taken 2 overlapping history courses at college, both of which had a timespan that included the Holocaust.

Dvergar /
Quisling

Here's an idea: Stop taking the same history course over and over and over again.

RETIRED.
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Well i love World War II and I history, and consider it one of my favorite era's to study. And i see how WWI and II has impacted modern day society, however to constantly revisit the Holocaust with every course generally draws back on the impact and general interest in such a topic.

For example, Dvergar I assume you love cake/pie. Now if every day for the rest of a 2 month period I fed you pie, to be specific Apple Pie/German Chocolate Cake (for irony reasons), your general interest in such pie/cake would diminish over time assuming that all pie/cake giving is near identical. What i was originally proposing is the idea that the topic is over covered and over emphasized which draws attention away from how such an event in important in modern history.

Of course to combat this, the idea of perhaps teaching opposing sides of the Holocaust movement could be a solution...partially because i was always slightly curious in both the Nazi logic and reasoning behind the movement, but generally the only side covered is that of the oppressed and not the oppressor.

Engi-nerd

6th Grade: American History
7th Grade: World History
8th Grade: Geography/World History
9th Grade: World History
10th: American History
College Sophmore: History of Western Civilization

6 different courses, 6 different teachers, 6 different focuses, 6 different textbooks, 4 different schools, same Holocaust every time

Engi-nerd

Taking "World History" at 3 different schools don't really count as 3 separate classes.

That being said, I've taken all sorts of history classes and I've never heard of the Holocaust in any of them, save for the impact it had in the Middle East.

RETIRED.
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your analogy sucks

cake/pie would be history as a topic
apple pie/german cake would be specific parts in history (WWII, for example)
not teaching the holocaust in a WWII course would be the equivalent to deciding that not every ingredient in a cake would be necessary. i mean, i don't want to eat flour by itself, so i'll leave that out. additionally, i would rather just eat a lot of chocolate instead of crust in general. i mean, that would be me ignoring what i don't want and instead focusing on things that do please me, however, i'm no longer eating cake and am instead just sticking my finger in the can of frosting

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sunshine.kittens.bubblegum.happythoughts

Rikki, I am not advocating the removal of the teaching of the Holocaust in a WWII class, but more advocating the idea of teaching it differently and offering opposing view points as to better understand how such and event happened. Seeing as most courses merely attempt to be all like "BOOM and then the Holocaust happened", when it was caused by the end of WWI and the Treaty of Versailles and such. I'm just suggesting teaching it differently and with more clarity into generally uncovered areas, such as the persecution of homosexuals, gypsies, artists, musicians and such.

Also, I would much rather sometimes just eat the frosting of a cake than the cake itself....or the filling of a pie than the pie itself.

Engi-nerd

ITT: Mayo thinks every student can elect which history courses (core curriculum) he/she takes in Middle School.


Hell, Black History Month is worse than the Holocaust. (In Virginia we learned about the Civil War every year.) With BHM, it doesn't matter what the class was, it seemed there was some lesson on BHM. During the morning announcements we'd get some small excerpt or lesson on Black History. In History we'd learn about the slave trade but we'd never learn about how tribes enslaved their own people nor did we learn about all the black slave owners. We learned about notable black scientists and inventors in various science classes if their contributions were relative to the course content. We'd read black literature by black authors in Literature/English classes. In PE all the white kids would be out-performed by the black kids (naturally). Then, while at home, we'd have to see all these stupid commercials and news bits on black history month.

For an entire month. Yea.

At least it's the shortest month tho.