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Strip a little boy but o lawd don't touch teh Muslim woman!!111!1

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Nop. Exclusions are only made for religious people because we can't hurt their feelings.

our tolerance with policies like this is what has lead us to have to face what TSA is doing right now. It's been over the course of decades, so it was eventually going to happen regardless of whether it was Obama who finally enacted this kind of thing or not we either fight it now or be ok with being treated like cattle until we have no more dignity or rights for that matter.

I'd rather be less safe than get groped by some stranger.

I seriously doubt hte people making 8 bucks an hour know how to find a bomb anyway, and if i really wanted to get a bomb on an airplane, i'm sure i could do it.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/194728/saturd ... e-from-tsa



But seriously, I never really understood the problem people have with little "incursions into their personal lives." It's not like they're cavity searching you. You have two options:

1. Backscatter. Contrary to popular belief, they can't actually see your naked self if they invert the image. I don't know if anyone's brought it up in this thread, but that article was a hoax on a German website.

2. Slightly more in-depth pat down. If you're paranoid about the scary cancer beams, then go with this one. And to refute the rape victim argument, they're NOT requiring you to get patted down. If someone touching your clam is a trigger, then you can use the imaging machine instead. And so what if they do a groin check? It's all part of your body just like your hands and legs are. Society's taboos on nonsexual touching shouldn't dictate whether or not you submit to something that can step up overall security.

Speaking of taboos, you're a hypocrite if you think that Muslims should be profiled as long as nobody has to touch your junk. Not being "PC" would imply that you don't care about societal taboos, but then you go into homophobia mode? It reminds me of people who in junior high would talk about how gigantic their dicks were to everyone, but would then change in stalls instead of the locker room for gym class.

And, if I remember correctly, your kids won't have to undergo the pat down procedure to the same degree that adults do. I remember hearing that the TSA is required to give them a conventional pat down instead.

My lack of concern for "privacy" may be due to growing up in the social networking generation, but I don't see the problem with sacrificing minimal amounts of privacy in order to be absolutely sure that you're not going to be a terrorist attack statistic.


PS: If you refuse to fly because of a weak, almost X-ray like machine, you're an idiot. I think I posted this in here last night (unless I logged out before posting it), but it's not really detrimental to your time. I've gone through the backscatter procedure three times this year in Florida, and you don't even notice the difference in the amount of time it takes to get through security.

So your view is that invasive searches of children is fine as long as Muslim women can be humiliated in public?

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

This isn't an Islamic country, though. They may have a "placebo" humiliation of sorts, but nobody will give half a fuck if they have to take off their hijab.

If innocent children are being subjected to the more invasive pat downs (which they aren't) and imaging machines, then Muslim women should be forced to as well. Special treatment shouldn't be allowed to anyone, never mind someone who follows a religion that goes against the liberal ideals that Americans often have.

The majority religion of the country is irrelevant, and the whole point here is that the women who may be forced to remove their coverings don't want to do so. If you think everyone should have to be humiliated in public simply to be allowed to get on an airplane, that's a consistent belief at least, but I think the more reasonable position is that being degraded in that manner for no significant increase in security isn't something anyone should have to go through. As I said before, anyone going through security has the right to ask for these concessions to privacy that were being advocated by CAIR.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

I don't like the searches one way or another - I think they're excessive and they're not going to make us any safer.

My view isn't the way you stated, actually. If we're supposed to be accepting of stripping a small child and having an adult pat them down then I think the Muslim women should be humiliated... if we're going to humiliate anyone else regardless of their age, gender or race then what makes that woman any different? (Nice wording, by the way. Amazing how the pat-downs are humiliating to the Muslim woman in your view but not to the child or their family... or to the guy who has a piss-bag attached to his body... or anyone else.) Religion isn't a free pass on this topic, for me.

However, this could all be fixed if they just get rid of these stupid scanners and these enhanced pat-downs.

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Well, aside from the first sentence, because I personally think that as long as we're not going to Israelify our airports, we might as well have as much security as possible.

We agree on your first point. I never argued that concessions to privacy should be made for religious people only, and in fact was pointing out that the things CAIR suggested Muslims ask for were available to anyone who requests them.

Laelia Komi Anomalocaris

Eff...nice vid eturnal.

Someone didn't take the whole of 1 second to scroll up 3 posts and see what youpoop eturnal posted.

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I was too excited to post it

While I don't support the new tsa changes and I do think that everyone should be searched equally, I'm not sure what the video of the kid is supposed to prove. 'Oh my god even our children?' Really if the tsa stopped checking kids or only gave them a weak pat-down there would be a child suicide bomber on a plane within a week.

If anything it is in the best interest of the TSA for more of these 'outrageous' search videos to hit the net, the more of a reputation they have for being almost unlawfully complete with their searches, perhaps the less likely someone will try to get something by them (note the words perhaps and less likely).

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